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https://phys.org/news/2019-08-scientists-hydrogen-gas-oil-bitumen.html Source document. Carbon, smarbon!! What is important here is the production cost and this is a way to tap old unproductive oil fields and oil sands cheaply for H2. Hope it works like fracking has worked because cheap hydrogen is a game changer in the energy markets. A potential economic boom maker. (Pun fully intended)
1 posted on 11/11/2019 8:21:41 PM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
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To: Red Badger

Ping.


2 posted on 11/11/2019 8:31:31 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Democrats will still want to tax the crap out of it.


3 posted on 11/11/2019 8:33:41 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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Not that simple. Handling of large scale quantities of hydrogen presents serious problems that are not yet fully solved even for small scale fuel cells. The issue is that the hydrogen molecule is so small it leaks through otherwise impermeable container vessels. Ordinary pipelines eg would not be usable for this reason.

otoh its worth trying to figure out.

4 posted on 11/11/2019 8:34:06 PM PST by hinckley buzzard (Power is more often surrendered than seized.)
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Not being a chemist sort I’m wondering about the costs of the oxygen to liberate the hydrogen.


5 posted on 11/11/2019 8:35:00 PM PST by rockinqsranch ("Democratic" party sold out to the ICP. It is now the Communist Party USA.)
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That is great news, although I may have heard of this being done before on a small scale. If the technique is indeed affordable and basic, this could benefit parts of Africa.

They could do it themselves, not stay under Chinese influence for almost everything. China takes a high percentage of certain elements from Africa, such as Cobalt. So what if the Africans need 7 y/o children to go underground and assist with most of the mining whether they want to or not? Egypt, are you paying attention too?


6 posted on 11/11/2019 8:35:01 PM PST by lee martell
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Hydrogen burning internal combustion engines create WATER VAPOR as the exhaust.

What is the most effective greenhouse gas? Oh yeah, WATER VAPORS.

CO2 is 4 hundredths of one percent of our atmosphere, and plays no role is temperature change. Water vapor does.


10 posted on 11/11/2019 8:39:28 PM PST by datura
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😴😴😴. If the cost is right.
12 posted on 11/11/2019 8:42:13 PM PST by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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The lefts biggest problem with oil - beyond even the misguided emphasis on carbon - is that it allows folk to use the energy.

If they were at all serious about AGW, they’d be hung ho for nuclear power. Instead they really just want pain.


17 posted on 11/11/2019 8:53:50 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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but with no pollution problems

I'm sure the greens will complain about dihydrogen monoxide poisoning...

20 posted on 11/11/2019 9:01:03 PM PST by jdege
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“Pollution free” eh?

So, the process requires no external energy?


25 posted on 11/11/2019 9:20:10 PM PST by doorgunner69
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“The researchers have found that injecting oxygen into the fields raises the temperature and liberates H2, which can then be separated from other gases via specialist filters. Hydrogen is not pre-existing in the reservoirs, but pumping oxygen means that the reaction to form hydrogen can take place. “

un huh.

and where does the pure O2 come from? oh, yeah, hydrolysis which uses expensive ELECTRICITY to split H2O into O2 and H2 ...

thus, once again, we see the dying lying leftist fake stream enemedia promoting pie-in-the-sky pipe dreams that don’t pass the basic high-school physics and chemistry test ...


31 posted on 11/11/2019 9:45:35 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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Yeah hydrogen!!!

33 posted on 11/11/2019 9:49:37 PM PST by Dogbert41 (Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord!)
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" The researchers have found that injecting oxygen into the fields raises the temperature and liberates H2"

Just wondering if this is some kind of reaction in which oxygen reacts with the hydrocarbon fuels so that hydrogen is released as gas and the oxygen reacts with carbon to form carbon dioxide and heat. Seems like the article is a bit incomplete.
35 posted on 11/11/2019 9:51:22 PM PST by clearcarbon
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1 cubic ft of hydrogen = 325 btu’s of heat available
1 gallon of #2 fuel oil = 138,500 btu’s of heat available.
I gallon is about .133 cubic feet.
so 1 cubic ft of hydrogen = 325 btu’s
1 cubic ft of fuel oil = 1,041,353 btu’s
This is why hydrogen isn’t a viable fuel for general purpose use. Either you compress hydrogen, then burn a lot fast to get the energy out of it ( rocket engines) or you burn oil at ambient pressure and get a lot of energy for the volume consumed. One is a lot safer.


41 posted on 11/11/2019 11:24:16 PM PST by Waverunner (I'd like to welcome our new overlords, say hello to my little friend)
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Whatever happened to making it from water and DC electricity? Solar panels and a water source would be almost free after paying for the solar panels.


42 posted on 11/11/2019 11:40:28 PM PST by chuckles
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The fact that the hydrogen for hydrogen fueled cars is coming from petrochemicals has got to be killing the greenie weenies.

CC


49 posted on 11/12/2019 1:19:53 AM PST by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV)
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It may work. But hydrogen leaks the walls of the pipes , and even more through joints and welds that oil and natural gas are well-sealed by.


51 posted on 11/12/2019 3:20:00 AM PST by Robert A Cook PE
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from the article: “This technique can draw up huge quantities of hydrogen while leaving the carbon in the ground.”

The hydrogen is almost certainly coming from the cleavage of carbon-hydrogen bonds in hydrocarbons in the ground, and the unaddressed question is what happens to the carbon? Does it end up as CO2 (which can ultimately leach out)? Or does the carbon end up in some other form - that’s a pretty fundamental consideration, and it’s odd, at least to me, that it remains unaddressed (or if addressed, unstated).


52 posted on 11/12/2019 4:23:06 AM PST by Stosh
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Hydrogen? One word: Hindenburg.


53 posted on 11/12/2019 4:38:40 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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It’ll never “get there”.

The (inaptly) named SunCell (tm) is a MUCH safer approach AND runs on trace quantities of water (extracting the H2 as needed.) This a MUCH SAFER approach as opposed to HYDROGEN TRANSPORT as others have pointed out ...

AS anyone who follows Thunderf00t on Youtube knows, he fears ‘free Hydrogen’ in a lab MORE than anything else on account of its “explosiveness”.


54 posted on 11/12/2019 4:41:56 AM PST by _Jim (Save babies)
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