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Why Do Environmentalists Seem Determined To Torment, Rather Than Convince?
Reason ^ | October 25, 2019 | Steven Greenhut

Posted on 10/25/2019 6:17:13 AM PDT by karpov

Grocery shopping had never been one of my favorite activities, but it never used to be as cumbersome as it is now. I'd fill up the cart with food, wait in line at the check-out counter and kibitz with the cashier as the bagger loaded up—and double-bagged—my groceries. Now, the lines are much slower because bagging has become an ordeal thanks to the "Earth-protecting" plastic-bag ban the state had passed a few years ago.

Consider what happens now. Store employees can't simply place your food in the needed bags. They have to ask how many bags shoppers want to buy. "As many as needed," I always say, given that I don't really care if the $150 transaction costs another buck. It's basically just another tax we pay to live in a former paradise. But that's not how it works now. The employees dispense bags parsimoniously. Who can blame cashiers given the guff they might get if they sell someone an unnecessary bag?

Bagging used to be an artform, where baggers carefully separated, say, the eggs from the bottle of Chivas Regal. Now they cram as much stuff as possible in a single bag. Heaven forbid you get stuck behind someone who pulls out a trove of bacteria-laden, reusable sacks. I put the new thick bags they sell right into the garbage, whereas I used to reuse the lightweight "single use" bags to pick up dog poo and line the bathroom waste baskets. Now I have to order those thinner ones online.

This has not improved the environment one iota, even though it has added to our daily annoyance. There always was plenty of evidence to debunk the push for the bag ban. Those bags comprised an infinitesimal portion of the waste stream.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: California
KEYWORDS: environment
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1 posted on 10/25/2019 6:17:13 AM PDT by karpov
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To: karpov

When you are a communist you only know the communist way of implementing programs .


2 posted on 10/25/2019 6:20:42 AM PDT by Lockbox
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To: karpov

Because they hate you, Steven. If they thought they could get away with it they’d kill you and your entire family.

That’s why.

L


3 posted on 10/25/2019 6:21:05 AM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: karpov
Why Do Environmentalists Seem Determined To Torment, Rather Than Convince?

Because they have already convinced sane, rational people that they are insane cultists.

4 posted on 10/25/2019 6:22:07 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: karpov

Because it is a secular religion based on emotional hysteria and fear. At it base the same motivation that cause an Islamic Fundamentalist to blow up a car bomb next to a school yard motivate the Environment Fascists movement.


5 posted on 10/25/2019 6:22:20 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (They would have to abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
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To: karpov

I love my little local grocery store. I bag my own groceries and if I bring my own bag/s I’m paid $.10 per bag. So I’m rewarded, not punished. Much better system.


6 posted on 10/25/2019 6:25:04 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: karpov

because they are authoritarian leftists and that’s their M.O.

they “convince” through propaganda, intimidation and fear... if that doesn’t work, they just kill anyone who doesn’t agree. we have 100m corpses from the 20th century as empirical evidence of this.


7 posted on 10/25/2019 6:25:15 AM PDT by Levy78
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To: karpov
does not meet well formedness criteria for practicality and rationality:

low benefit to cost ratio = not worth time and effort

8 posted on 10/25/2019 6:26:17 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: karpov; big'ol_freeper; Impy; SevenofNine; Cletus.D.Yokel; Rummyfan; Liberty Valance; Perdogg; ...
Re: Why Do Environmentalists Seem Determined To Torment, Rather Than Convince?

Well, this completely proves that the issue is not and has never ever been about the environment, campers. IT is about the raw power to make the little folk (us, that is--) do what ever those all-knowing liberals in power deem is correct in their, and only in their, state of mind.

9 posted on 10/25/2019 6:26:34 AM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: karpov

Why Do Environmentalists Seem Determined To Torment, Rather Than Convince?

They think they’re wives.


10 posted on 10/25/2019 6:26:53 AM PDT by dp0622 (Radicals, racists Don't point fingers at me I'm a small town white boy Just tryin' to make ends meet)
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To: Mercat

I love my grocery store even better. They just bag my stuff and don’t say a word.


11 posted on 10/25/2019 6:28:59 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: dp0622
Why Do Environmentalists Seem Determined To Torment, Rather Than Convince?

You have to be correct to convince.

12 posted on 10/25/2019 6:36:53 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (60 in '20. Now, more than ever!)
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To: karpov

I knew the bag ban was coming so I hoarded the thin plastic bags for the previous year.


13 posted on 10/25/2019 6:38:38 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Bender2

Nailed it!


14 posted on 10/25/2019 6:39:10 AM PDT by Howie66 ("...Against All Enemies, Foreign and Democrat.....")
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To: karpov

Because it has nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with control.


15 posted on 10/25/2019 6:40:02 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Navy Patriot

One wonders??? Near 40 years of climate change doomsday predictions are overdue… I just wanna know! I have a lot of friends (smart folks, good people) who are concerned. But... after awhile these non-events and failed predictions have to be explained by their advocates (real world not just their computer models)… less one begin to doubt them… and (logically) wonder what the real agenda may be? #Political?

Yet to my small brain…the panickers don’t feel any obligation to explain (or odd? Join in with) the demanded (required?) sacrifices… they just ratchet up their panic only LOUDER! I’m not the brightest light on the tree, but IMHO questioning why the list of dire predictions has yet to come to pass, must be answered and not be dismissed as “denial”. Is a scolding near hysterical 16-year old the best “evidence” they can offer? #WhyConvinceWhenYouCanTorment?


16 posted on 10/25/2019 6:46:43 AM PDT by FiddlePig (The greatest threat to our sacred liberty is to not value it!)
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To: karpov

Because they’re assholes?


17 posted on 10/25/2019 6:52:55 AM PDT by JusPasenThru (Phuque all Democrats.)
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To: depressed in 06

In this case, yes.

Hitler convinced a lot of people they were the master race.

Parents are convincing teenagers they need to take hormones and eventually remove their genitalia.

SMH


18 posted on 10/25/2019 6:59:00 AM PDT by dp0622 (Radicals, racists Don't point fingers at me I'm a small town white boy Just tryin' to make ends meet)
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To: Bender2; karpov; big'ol_freeper; Impy; SevenofNine; Cletus.D.Yokel; Rummyfan; Liberty Valance; ...

Why?

I don’t know. Maybe because that type of person is a complete assh*le who doesn’t understand the basic concept of live and let live.

But there’s the thing they need to understand; eventually, during the course of their lives and assholery, they’ll meet up with someone who won’t allow themselves to be tormented.

And that person will decide to make it his Life Mission to torment back.

Hard.

Regardless of any subsequent consequences.

You can only eff with people for so long before they say “Enough” and decide “Today’s the day...”


19 posted on 10/25/2019 7:48:53 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: karpov

There’s reason the word Mental is in Environmentalists


20 posted on 10/25/2019 7:57:58 AM PDT by butlerweave
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