Skip to comments.The FDA Needs To Leave Vaping Alone
Posted on 03/17/2019 4:20:36 AM PDT by Kaslin
Its not often Im happy to see a bureaucrat leave their job. Thats not entirely true, I would like to see every bureaucrat leave their job and would cheer wildly if they did. But Im cheering one specific bureaucrat leaving his job because he was particularly dangerous at it Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Scott Gottlieb.
Why would I, and why should you, care that the head of the FDA has given his notice? Because, if youre like me, or care about anyone in the future who might be, his resignation might just save lives.
Like too many people, I smoked. I smoked too much and for too long. There is nothing dumber than an 18-year-old boy, and nothing more self-destructive. I started out of boredom and was hooked. Boys between the ages of 16 and 24 think theyre 10 feet tall and bulletproof, and we convince ourselves that were too smart to get hooked on anything. We can quit whenever we want. Did I mention were stupid at that age?
By the time I started to care, I was hooked. By the time I was ready to quit, it seemed past the point of no return. Nothing worked because everything was somehow tied to smoking. Driving, drinks with friends, writing, food you name it and there was a cigarette involved.
I wanted to quit but everything I tried, every gimmick quickly failed.
Then I saw a coworker vaping. I tried it and found my way out. Immediately.
After having worked my way up to nearly 2 packs per day, I had my last cigarette on the day I was married 3 and a half years ago. I have been vaping, more or less, ever since.
The smell is gone, the cost is gone, and the danger. The damage I did isnt, but Im no longer making it worse.
Im not unique, not even close. I personally know dozens of people whove quit smoking with the help of vaping. Nationwide, it has to be in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions.
Quitting smoking was the goal government sold us through public service announcements and wed finally found something that worked and, in typical government fashion, there came a push to make it harder to get.
Gottlieb, for reasons known only to him, decided to target e-cigs, as theyre called, because kids were reportedly using them. Dont get me wrong, they shouldnt be available to children, just like cigarettes. But the Gottlieb FDA decided to institute regulations to protect children from the scourge of water vapor, and in the process made it more difficult for everyone to get what a recent study shows to be the most successful stop smoking product on the market.
On his way out the door, Gottlieb proposed a rule banning the sale of flavored e-cigs in places kids under age 18 can enter. This would pretty much limit sales to head shops, which are the adult bookstores for stoners. It will mean these products will be harder to get and will likely lead to fewer people quitting and some people whove quit returning to tobacco because they wont be able to access the bridge (Gottlieb accurately refers to it as an off-ramp) theyre using very easily or, in some cases, at all.
Theres a reason its important to sell vapor products on the same convenience store shelves as cigarettes. Smokers buy cigarettes where its convenient, out of habit. If you want them to quit, you need to make e-cigarettes just as convenient. You need to meet smokers where they are. The Gottlieb rule would force habitual smokers to actively seek out vapor products in stores theyve never visited; its not just impractical, its stupid.
The idea that only young vapers use flavored products is laughable. Just as many adults choose flavored vodka, adult vapers prefer vaping flavors. If government starts restricting flavors on the basis of preferences of people who shouldnt be using them, why is FDA keeping mint and menthol on convenience store shelves, when those flavors constitute a majority of the vapor flavors preferred by underage users?
With Gottlieb leaving, theres a chance this proposed rule will be pulled. It should be pulled. I say this as someone who wont be impacted by this, this is directed toward flavored juices thought to appeal to kids Cinnabon, cotton candy, etc. I use tobacco flavored cartridges. But I have friends who do use the flavors and I dont want to see them backslide because they have to find a government-approved shop rather where they should be sold where the market demand is: where cigarettes are sold now.
On Friday, Gottlieb took his destructive power trip one step further, declaring that if teen vape use doesnt drop this year We'll have to look at the pod-based cigarettes as a category and potentially take them off the market. First, the refillable juice dragged from the market, next everything else. Its almost like he wants people to keep smoking.
If this new rule stands, it would show they just might. It would show theyd much rather have the revenue from tobacco taxes than non-smokers. Vaping works, it helps people quit smoking; Ive seen it and experienced it first-hand. With less than a month until he leaves office, Gottliebs regulatory temper tantrum on his way out the door needs to be killed so more people arent.
But if "vaping" produces only water vapor and delivers only nicotine I don't see it as being a big deal.Then only question is...what harm,if any,comes to those who "vape"? My guess is "little or none".
All I can say is don’t mess with my C-gars.
It will be of little avail to the people, that the laws are made by men of their own choice, if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man, who knows what the law is to-day, can guess what it will be to-morrow. Law is defined to be a rule of action; but how can that be a rule, which is little known, and less fixed? -- James Madison, Federalist Papers 62
A med school buddy suggested healthy teens can survive
“20 pack years” without doing permanent damage.
I quit cold turkey in March of ‘86.
What is raspberry lung?
I always thought you just had to puff and that was it. Over the years it got less and less, until I tried to inhale, but the cough that followed wised me up, that I said to myself: I don't need that. I threw the cigarette and the cigarette pack that I bought away and that was the end of it.
My twin sister on the other hand forced herself to inhale, and in 2002 she died of Lung Cancer. She thought that when she finally stopped smoking five years earlier that was enough, but it wasn't
If too many smokers quit they stand to lose a tremendous amount of tax money.
I love the smell of Pipe tobacco, but not Cigars.
I am now 12 months in to vaping after 40 years of smoking cigarettes.
Is it harmless...probably not? Is it LESS harmful than cigarettes, probably? I have noticed the difference in my health and ability to breathe and exert myself. The improvement is remarkable. My blood pressure is better and I feel better.
Smoked Newport Menthol, so a menthol vape was the perfect offramp. Started at 12mg/ml. I am down to 3mg/ml. When I get to zero, I will stop vaping. But that is a ways off still.
As with anything, the vape is adversely affecting the tax revenue from tabacco sales, and THAT is what the problem is.
Why don't you post a link that explains what, in somebody's opinion, raspberry lung is?
Answer your own leading question.
“Why don’t you post a link that explains what, in somebody’s opinion, raspberry lung is?
Answer your own leading question.”
Vaping is not without other consequences. Perhaps if the “vapers” looked it up themselves they might learn something other than reconciling one habit by substituting another.
But I guess some alcoholics do the same thing with drinking and soda and coffee incessantly while chain smoking cigarettes... but really all they’re doing is substituting one habit for another.
So why not just quit, just stop it.
It ain’t easy, but vices are are plain and simply fugly.
A really big advantage of living in the USA:
Not having to live in a near-constant cloud of needless, stinky tobacco smoke.
A lot of otherwise good countries have that curse.
All those people turning Japanese...
All they need to do is ban the product entirely.
LOL. I remember some of the old smoking threads where smokers claimed they didn't stink.
Is juul vaping???
The New Puritans must protect society from the Pleasure.
“So why not just quit, just stop it”
Now, if you’d just try to ponder that one on your own, you might just alleviate your ignorance a bit.
Oh, I see now. Your issue isn't with raspberry lung at all and it is all about somebody substituting what you consider to be a bad habit with something you also consider to be a bad habit. You simply tried to express it in a subtle manner instead of being forthright about it.
Thanks for clearing that up. Carry on.
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