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Northam Calls Slaves ‘Indentured Servants from Africa’
ntknetwork ^ | 2-10-19 | NTK Staff

Posted on 02/10/2019 6:37:02 PM PST by NoLibZone

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To: NoLibZone
involuntary farmers...
41 posted on 02/10/2019 7:17:41 PM PST by Chode ( WeÂ’re America, Bitch!)
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To: arthurus

He was. And the first slave was his - a white man. It was determined by a court decision that the white man owed his labor for the rest of his life to the black man.


42 posted on 02/10/2019 7:21:53 PM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: NoLibZone
The clueless "Progressive Regressives" often claim that Thomas Jefferson and other Founders were "slave owners."

When countering that claim, it is well to ask those know-it-all 21st Century "elitists" to consider the historical context within which those Founders found themselves, as well as the enormous contributions they and their generations made toward eradicating slavery from these shores and creating a constitutional republic which could, ultimately, affirm and protect the rights of ALL people:

Of special interest in that regard is Jefferson's “Autobiography,” especially that portion which states:

"The first establishment in Virginia which became permanent was made in 1607. I have found no mention of negroes in the colony until about 1650. The first brought here as slaves were by a Dutch ship; after which the English commenced the trade and continued it until the revolutionary war. That suspended...their future importation for the present, and the business of the war pressing constantly on the (Virginia) legislature, this subject was not acted on finally until the year 1778, when I brought a bill to prevent their further importation. This passed without opposition, leaving to future efforts its final eradication."

Jefferson also observed:

"Where the disease [slavery] is most deeply seated, there it will be slowest in eradication. In the northern States, it was merely superficial and easily corrected. In the southern, it is incorporated with the whole system and requires time, patience, and perseverance in the curative process."

He explained that,

"In 1769, I became a member of the legislature by the choice of the county in which I live [Albemarle County, Virginia], and so continued until it was closed by the Revolution. I made one effort in that body for the permission of the emancipation of slaves, which was rejected: and indeed, during the regal [crown] government, nothing [like this] could expect success."
Below is another quotation, cited in David Barton's work on the subject of the Founders and slavery, which also cites the fact that there were laws in the State of Virginia which prevented citizens from emancipating slaves:
"The whole commerce between master and slave is a perpetual exercise of the most boisterous passions, the most unremitting despotism on the one part, and degrading submissions on the other. Our children see this and learn to imitate it; for man is an imitative animal. This quality is the germ of all education in him. From his cradle to his grave he is learning to do what he sees others do. If a parent could find no motive either in his philanthropy or his self-love for restraining the intemperance of passion towards his slave, it should always be a sufficient one that his child is present. But generally it is not sufficient. . . . The man must be a prodigy who can retain his manners and morals undepraved by such circumstances. And with what execration should the statesman be loaded who permits one half the citizens thus to trample on the rights of the other. . . . And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep for ever. . . . The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in such a contest. . . . [T]he way, I hone [is] preparing under the auspices of Heaven for a total emancipation."
A visit to David Barton’s web site (www.wallbuilders.com) provides an essential, excellent and factual written record of the Founders' views on the matter of slavery. One source he does not quote, I believe, is the famous 1775 Edmund Burke "Speech on Conciliation" before the British Parliament, wherein he admonished the Parliament for its Proposal to declare a general enfranchisement of the slaves in America.

Burke rather sarcastically observed that should the Parliament carry through with the Proposal before it: "Slaves as these unfortunate black people are, and dull as all men are from slavery, must they not a little suspect the offer of freedom from that very nation (England) which has sold them to their present masters? from that nation, one of whose causes of quarrel with those masters is their refusal to deal any more in that inhuman traffic?"

He continued: "An offer of freedom from England would come rather oddly, shipped to them in an African vessel, which is refused an entry into the ports of Virginia or Carolina, with a cargo of three hundred Angola negroes. It would be curious to see the Guinea captain attempting at the same instant to publish his proclamation of liberty and to advertise his sale of slaves." Ahhh, how knowledge of the facts can alter one's opinion of the revisionist history that has been taught for generations in American schools (including its so-called "law schools"!!)

Human beings are allotted ONLY A TINY SLIVER OF TIME ON THIS EARTH. (Pardon shouting) Each finds the world and his/her own community/nation existing as it is.

If lawyers and judges cared enough to educate themselves (in this day of the Internet) on the history of civilization and America's real history, and if they used that knowledge and the resulting understanding, to do as much on behalf of liberty for ALL people as did Thomas Jefferson and America's other Founders, the world in the next century would be a better place.

Remember: Thomas Jefferson was only 33 years old when he penned our Declaration of Independence which capsulized a truly revolutionary idea into a simple statement that survives to this day to inspire people all over the world to strive for liberty!

43 posted on 02/10/2019 7:22:24 PM PST by loveliberty2 (`)
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To: Rebelbase

I recently learned that there were a lot of “indentured” Irish servants in Jamaica. Reportedly the Irish are the second-largest ethnic group there.

From Wikipedia:

“The first wave of Irish immigrants occurred in the early 17th century, Irish emigrant principally sailors, servants, and merchants. Many of the poorer emigrants were displaced Gaelic-Irish and Anglo-Irish Catholics, as well as convicts who were indentured servants. Many of the indentured servants were transported unwillingly. More than 2,000 children alone were sent on ships from Galway Bay[citation needed]. Of those surviving the long journey many more succumbed to disease, the harsh conditions and unfamiliar tropical conditions.”


44 posted on 02/10/2019 7:22:25 PM PST by EMI_Guy ("You have to slow down to go fast." - Kenny Roberts)
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To: Carry me back
Yes, I'm sure they all signed an agreement just like this and understood exactly what the legal meaning of it was. /s

Sure is a lot of unadulterated horse manure being shoveled on this thread.

45 posted on 02/10/2019 7:23:40 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: NoLibZone

When one finds himself in a hole, the first thing you’re supposed to do is stop digging.

Northam never learned how to do that.


46 posted on 02/10/2019 7:24:10 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (President Trump is right! The media IS the enemy of the people!)
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To: TigersEye

“They’re still having trouble taking responsibility for their “peculiar institution.”

Slavery began more than a hundred years before the Revolution.

And about 170 years before the founding of the Democratic Party in 1828.

Presidents Washington, Jefferson, Madison, and Monroe all had large slave holdings before there was a Democratic Party. Washington being perhaps the largest slaveowner of his day.

The majority of Americans have a knowledge of a history that rivals the average 4th grader. Why freepers insist on imitating them is a mystery.


47 posted on 02/10/2019 7:24:39 PM PST by Pelham (Secure Voter ID. Mexico has it, because unlike us they take voting seriously)
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To: NoLibZone
He is correct. There were indeed Indentured Servants from Africa in Virginia.

These were folks who could buy off their freedom by working a certain number of years.

A slave could not do that. There is a difference and the guv'nor is correct.

48 posted on 02/10/2019 7:26:15 PM PST by Dave W
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To: Pelham

You’re providing a fine example of that.


49 posted on 02/10/2019 7:26:37 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: you

C’mon freepers this is American history...can we not get the facts straight? Please post links to sources to back up what you think you remember.


50 posted on 02/10/2019 7:30:29 PM PST by deks
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To: TigersEye
On this page, are a couple dozen of the indentured servants that volunteered their service to Coonman Northam's family:


51 posted on 02/10/2019 7:31:28 PM PST by Brown Deer (America First!)
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To: NoLibZone

The governor is technically correct. Initially treated the same as indentured servants from Europe. The Punch case was decided in 1640 first legally recognizing the distinction between the European and African servants.

But let’s all be good democrats and not let facts get in the way of emotions.


52 posted on 02/10/2019 7:33:14 PM PST by PAR35
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To: TigersEye

53 posted on 02/10/2019 7:33:52 PM PST by Salamander (Death makes angels of us all, and give us wings where we once had shoulders, smooth as ravens' claws)
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To: Dave W

You’re right; the Gov is technically correct. Indentured servitude was the predominate source of imported labor in early Virginia. As I understand it, it worked but not all that well (indentured laborers could simple walk off a bit too easily and then the planter was faced with the problem of importing more and seeing to their “seasoning”.

Importation of black slaves really took off with the growth of rice farming (mainly in the Carolina coastal region and mainly by British and French) which required a large workforce to build and maintain the irrigation involved. This vastly increased with the spread to the south of cotton growing.


54 posted on 02/10/2019 7:35:54 PM PST by Vesparado (The American people know what they want and they deserve to get it good and hard --- HL Mencken)
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To: Brown Deer

Ah, yes, I can see that they all had that distinctive hand writing style of the native African. They certainly must have volunteered and know exactly what they were getting into. /s


55 posted on 02/10/2019 7:37:03 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: Salamander

“The Accidental Tourist”... never saw it. It does look funny though, with the Corgi in tow hahaha :)


56 posted on 02/10/2019 7:37:20 PM PST by deks
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To: Salamander

LOL


57 posted on 02/10/2019 7:37:43 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: Brown Deer

Well look at that. James and John Northam were slave owners.

Any relation to the face painted moonwalker?


58 posted on 02/10/2019 7:45:31 PM PST by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: Rebelbase; the OlLine Rebel

Cromwell seized the estates of Irish rebels in 1652. And some of those rebels got shipped out of Ireland as political prisoners, which Cromwell likely intended to be not much different than slavery. To British North America as well as the Caribbean.

There’s a book of ‘Landed Irish Gentry’ who had their properties seized by Cromwell. It lists two who have the rare patronym of my Irish ancestors, a name essentially extinct in Ireland today. I suspect that Cromwell is when and why they ended up in the colonies.


59 posted on 02/10/2019 7:45:39 PM PST by Pelham (Secure Voter ID. Mexico has it, because unlike us they take voting seriously)
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To: TigersEye

Really. Well snark doesn’t make you any less ignorant, pal.


60 posted on 02/10/2019 7:47:12 PM PST by Pelham (Secure Voter ID. Mexico has it, because unlike us they take voting seriously)
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