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Northam Calls Slaves ‘Indentured Servants from Africa’
ntknetwork ^ | 2-10-19 | NTK Staff

Posted on 02/10/2019 6:37:02 PM PST by NoLibZone

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To: NoLibZone

The first “indentured servants”/slaves in the colonies were the Irish and the Scots.

Slavery happened, is still happening but this whole kit-n- caboodle is to overshadow Govern Gosnell’s infanticide comments and get them off the front page.


21 posted on 02/10/2019 6:56:59 PM PST by lizma2
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To: NoLibZone
Thank you, everyone and news media.

Northam's crude, unemotional statements about Mothers and abortionists casually discussing terminating the lives of just-born babies have been buried.

You have to hand it to the Left, they are the masters of propaganda and narratives.

22 posted on 02/10/2019 6:57:08 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Trust the plan of the 17th letter of the English alphabet!!)
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To: NoLibZone

He’s safer as a governor instead of a medical doctor.


23 posted on 02/10/2019 6:57:30 PM PST by o-n-money (We should rename California to Newer Mexico.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Oliver Cromwell sent Irish slaves to Jamaica when it was an English Colony in the 1600’s.


24 posted on 02/10/2019 7:00:00 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: aposiopetic

The main reason i\he is keeping his job is that Fairfax is on even slipperier ground than he is and so is the Secretary of State and should Northam fall, the other two will likely fall also and he will be replaced by the a Republican. The Democrats can’t have that happening. Northam just has to grovel a bit and promise to be better.


25 posted on 02/10/2019 7:00:28 PM PST by arthurus (85hyu75)
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To: NoLibZone

Technically he is correct. The first Africans were sold as indentured servants. It wasn’t until an an ‘owner’ sued to make the indentures permanent that they became slaves. I’ve read but can not verify that the owner was, in fact black.


26 posted on 02/10/2019 7:03:42 PM PST by hanamizu
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To: NoLibZone
The Blacks who arrived in 1619 really were indentured servants, not slaves. Slavery came later.

Is it going to be forbidden to state that simple fact from now on?

27 posted on 02/10/2019 7:04:17 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (What has Athens to do with Jerusalem?)
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To: NoLibZone

Northam is actually correct. Unsurprisingly, he knows a bit more about early Virginia history than those outside the state.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part1/1narr3.html

“Historically, the English only enslaved non-Christians, and not, in particular, Africans. And the status of slave (Europeans had African slaves prior to the colonization of the Americas) was not one that was life-long. A slave could become free by converting to Christianity. The first Virginia colonists did not even think of themselves as “white” or use that word to describe themselves. They saw themselves as Christians or Englishmen, or in terms of their social class. They were nobility, gentry, artisans, or servants.

“One of the few recorded histories of an African in America that we can glean from early court records is that of “Antonio the negro,” as he was named in the 1625 Virginia census. He was brought to the colony in 1621. At this time, English and Colonial law did not define racial slavery; the census calls him not a slave but a “servant.” Later, Antonio changed his name to Anthony Johnson, married an African American servant named Mary, and they had four children. Mary and Anthony also became free, and he soon owned land and cattle and even indentured servants of his own. By 1650, Anthony was still one of only 400 Africans in the colony among nearly 19,000 settlers. In Johnson’s own county, at least 20 African men and women were free, and 13 owned their own homes....

“...In 1641, Massachusetts became the first colony to legally recognize slavery. Other states, such as Virginia, followed. In 1662, Virginia decided all children born in the colony to a slave mother would be enslaved. Slavery was not only a life-long condition; now it could be passed, like skin color, from generation to generation.”


28 posted on 02/10/2019 7:04:44 PM PST by Pelham (Secure Voter ID. Mexico has it, because unlike us they take voting seriously)
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To: NoLibZone

Did he learn that from his son, the brain surgeon?

https://www.med.unc.edu/neurosurgery/education/residency/2872-2/


29 posted on 02/10/2019 7:06:34 PM PST by Brown Deer (America First!)
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To: Salamander

unwilling tourists....
Funny.

Like deliberately sneaking across a border as an illegal is an “undocumented” person. BS.

We should have never allowed the left to take away OUR language and say Politically Correct. When it started (1970-72?) someone at work wondered if that meant like Emily Post rules to be socially correct and sophisticated and high class and do the right thing like stand up for a lady coming to a dinner table——but it is NOT that way for PC.

It’s just kowtowing to the trashiest socialist scum that we allowed power (to our shame) all these decades.


30 posted on 02/10/2019 7:07:39 PM PST by frank ballenger (End vote fraud,noncitizens & illegals voting & leftist media news censorship or we're finished.)
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To: NoLibZone

This is just piling-on stupid. He’s right. The ones that came over in 1619 WERE indentured servants.

“In 1619 the first black Africans came to Virginia. With no slave laws in place, they were initially treated as indentured servants, and given the same opportunities for freedom dues as whites.”


31 posted on 02/10/2019 7:09:07 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Salamander
Maybe they identified as Unwilling Tourists.

Maybe we can use one of the Constitution's pre-13th Amendment terms, such as "Person held to Service or Labour."

32 posted on 02/10/2019 7:09:09 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: NoLibZone
It’s 2019 and Democarts call slaves: Indentured Servants from Africa

They're still having trouble taking responsibility for their "peculiar institution."

33 posted on 02/10/2019 7:10:38 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: NoLibZone

My Irish Catholic indentured servant ancestors, the McGinnis family, arrived at the Livingston plantation south of Rensselaer, NY in 1720...

Every male in the family 10 and up had to work for the Livingstons until age 21 to pay back the passage costs etc...

At age 21 they were free from their obligation and could strike out on their own...They were not slaves but servants for an arranged period......

My ancestor, Timothy McGinnis became a fur trapper and a trader, and a very rich man...

Indentured servants were never slaves...

The black African slaves were never indentured servants they were slaves for life...

My family travelled from Ireland as passengers on a ship free to move around on the deck and in the cabin area...probably steerage...

African slaves were chained up spoon fashion for most of the trip and hardly saw the light of day...many of them died on the ‘middle passage’


34 posted on 02/10/2019 7:11:37 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: NoLibZone

In 1619 he would be correct. It wasn’t until 1655 when John Casor became the first actual slave. Oddly, the very first slave owner was named Anthony Johnson, a black man that was an ex indentured servant. He reportedly was one of the first ones brought to Virginia from Africa. In other words, black perpetual slavery was started by, Anthony Johnson, a black man.


35 posted on 02/10/2019 7:12:09 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: Salamander; marktwain

Except that Northam happens to be right here.

Permanent black slavery didn’t begin until many years after 1619. And the change involves a case brought by a free black named Antonio Johnson who brought suit to make his own blacks slaves for life.


36 posted on 02/10/2019 7:12:21 PM PST by Pelham (Secure Voter ID. Mexico has it, because unlike us they take voting seriously)
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To: Salamander
Maybe they identified as Unwilling Tourists.

Stranded sea cruise passengers.

37 posted on 02/10/2019 7:13:13 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: NoLibZone

When they first came they were indentured servants. They could leave their master’s after 7 years. It changed when a black man who had a servant didn’t want his to go free after 7 years. He took it to court and they ruled the indentured servant had to stay with the guy. Northam was right of that’s what he said.


38 posted on 02/10/2019 7:14:47 PM PST by Carry me back (Cut the feds by 90%)
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To: NoLibZone

Northam is technically correct, but the media isn’t going to allow him any nuance after already putting the order out for his head.


39 posted on 02/10/2019 7:16:49 PM PST by Shadow44
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To: NoLibZone

Someone got confused on google or wiki was wrong as usual. The facts:

In 1619, 3 momentous things occurred. The first slaves from Africa arrived. The first indentured servants arrived, a completely separate event. And, the first European women arrived.


40 posted on 02/10/2019 7:17:03 PM PST by Marchmain (Dems: truly the party of death and taxes.)
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