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The Second Civil War in the US
Eastern Michigan University ^ | April 18, 2018 | Jack Minzey

Posted on 08/19/2018 6:23:51 AM PDT by econjack

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To: Lee'sGhost
Technically a civil war involves an attempt to take over the government. The South never attempted that. It attempted to act on the belief that their states were sovereign and had every right to form their own union or confederacy. At no time did they attempt to take over the existing government.

Awesome statement and eloquently put. I liked referring to that episode as the War for Southern Independence, but I could not adequately explain why "Civil War" was inaccurate.

21 posted on 08/19/2018 6:50:19 AM PDT by beancounter13
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To: Dr. Pritchett

“War has been declared by one side, but the other won’t acknowledge....”

It was a silent Coup by the Left. Fortunately, Trump disrupted it. However, the Coup is still going on. It’s just not covert any longer. It’s in plain sight...


22 posted on 08/19/2018 6:51:50 AM PDT by snoringbear (W,E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: Lee'sGhost

“Again, you’ve got to have the first “civil war” before you can have the second one. Technically a civil war involves an attempt to take over the government”

That would be a Coup. The War Between the States was indeed a Civil War.


23 posted on 08/19/2018 6:54:51 AM PDT by snoringbear (W,E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: Regulator; All
Excellent post.

Here is an essay I wrote (satire, of course) about the new Nobility.

How To Become A Member Of The New Nobility*

24 posted on 08/19/2018 6:56:09 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: FreedomPoster

I don’t have the source, but my understanding was that it was a newspaper article written while he was still at EMU.


25 posted on 08/19/2018 7:01:49 AM PDT by econjack
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To: econjack

Bkmrk- so sorry to have lost this guy.


26 posted on 08/19/2018 7:02:04 AM PDT by matthew fuller (How many of today's voters have ever seen a half-dollar coin (or silver dollar)?)
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To: snoringbear
The War Between the States was indeed a Civil War.

I respectfully disagree. The War for Southern Independence was exactly that. About 71% of eligible voters in Texas voted for secession. That meant the people decided their course of action -albeit a course of action that was denied to them.

27 posted on 08/19/2018 7:04:16 AM PDT by beancounter13
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To: econjack

See my follow on links. I don’t think so.


28 posted on 08/19/2018 7:06:47 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: econjack

Great article!

Author nails it. Never heard of him.


29 posted on 08/19/2018 7:07:28 AM PDT by JPJones (More tariffs, less income tax.)
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To: Lee'sGhost

That’s going to be a hard sell to most. Words do matter, but people screw them up all the time. Like “decimate”; actually means to destroy every tenth item, but used to mean totally destroy. “Alright” was not a word until so many people butchered it that it made it into the dictionary. Then look at the misuse of “then” (i.e., time) and “than” (i.e., comparison), to, two, too. Even professional journalists, authors, and TV news people will say:

He’s the man that robbed the bank.

when it should be:

He’s the man who robbed the bank.

These are common, everyday mistakes. However, saying there was no Civil War is pretty much going to be like throwing a potato chip against the wind...it’s coming back in your face regardless (or would you prefer irregardless?) of how hard you throw it.


30 posted on 08/19/2018 7:09:31 AM PDT by econjack
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To: Regulator

Thank you for the reminder.

As one who sees the importance of defining a “Civil War”, I appreciate your ability return to the issue at hand. At the same time the article states, “Donald Trump has caused the Shadow Government to come out of hiding....”

It seems to me that we cannot act until we first come to agreement on how we apply the terminology, and defining “Civil War” is as good a place as any.


31 posted on 08/19/2018 7:12:16 AM PDT by beancounter13
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To: EagleUSA
...they act the way they do BECAUSE THE REPUBLICANS/CONSERVATIVES let them get away with it.

Agree 100%. If the GOP doesn't grow a pair soon, they will lose all power and a new party will emerge from their corpse.

32 posted on 08/19/2018 7:12:51 AM PDT by econjack
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To: econjack
These are common, everyday mistakes. However, saying there was no Civil War is pretty much going to be like throwing a potato chip against the wind...it’s coming back in your face regardless (or would you prefer irregardless?) of how hard you throw it.

Yes. Reality is a B*tch that way. Unfortunately, it hurts us a lot, because the Leftists control most of the media and routinely change the definition of words to gain advantage.

33 posted on 08/19/2018 7:13:39 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: EagleUSA
And they act the way they do BECAUSE THE REPUBLICANS/CONSERVATIVES let them get away with it.

The use of the term "REPUBLICANS/CONSERVATIVES" is the reason why they get away with it. The members of the "guild" (as mentioned in the article), the nomanklatura, extend to both major political parties. We must cease using Republican and Democrat to describe the two sides in this battle. The line is actually between LEFT and RIGHT.

34 posted on 08/19/2018 7:13:42 AM PDT by Roccus (When you talk to a politician...ANY politician...always say, "Remember Ceausescu")
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To: econjack

Thanks for posting this.


35 posted on 08/19/2018 7:13:58 AM PDT by gattaca ("Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." Ronald Reagan)
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To: Pravious

Totally agree.

I think at this point, plans for winning need to be considered.


36 posted on 08/19/2018 7:14:36 AM PDT by JPJones (More tariffs, less income tax.)
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To: econjack

Bump


37 posted on 08/19/2018 7:15:11 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Flavious_Maximus
The USA will be a dead empire and the rest of the world will be trying to pick up the pieces since they will go down too.

Civil war in America will spread to Europe in a matter of hours. Continental Europe is going through the same situation: a professional liberal political class, out of touch with angry constituents, and trying to keep at bay emerging right-leaning populist movements. When things explode over here, they'll explode over there for the same reasons. Only the accents will be different.

In the end, it'll likely be Russia and China picking up the pieces.

38 posted on 08/19/2018 7:18:13 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Drew68

Very true. It’s not really a US Civil War that’s brewing, it’s a World War between the left and the right.


39 posted on 08/19/2018 7:20:52 AM PDT by Pravious
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To: snoringbear

“The War Between the States was indeed a Civil War.”

No, it wasn’t.

It was a war between the United States of America and the Confederate States of America, two separate and distinct countries.

A civil war must be between two factions within the same country.


40 posted on 08/19/2018 7:21:23 AM PDT by CodeToad ( Hating on Trump is hating on me and America!)
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