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Father of Santa Fe Shooter My son is the victim here
Tribunist ^ | 05/22/18

Posted on 05/22/2018 1:58:45 PM PDT by Simon Green

There’s a new wrinkle in the aftermath of the shooting at Santa Fe High School on Friday. The family of the shooter, the boy who killed 10 people, are speaking out. They’re claiming that their son, the one who shot his classmates and teachers, should be seen as a victim. They claim the boy was bullied and “mistreated” by his classmates.

Dimitrios Pagourtzis, 17, is being held on capital murder charges. Pagourtzis has admitted to killing 8 students and two teachers. The shotgun and .38 revolver he brought to campus both belonged to his father.

That man, Antonios Pagourtzis, is now making statements. He says his son was a ‘good boy’ and that he must have been bullied.

“My son, to me, is not a criminal, he’s a victim,” Antonios Pagourtzis, who immigrated to the U.S. from Greece, reportedly told Greece’s Antenna TV. “The kid didn’t own guns, I owned guns.”

“He pulled the trigger but he is not this person,” he said.

“It is like we see in the movies when someone gets into his body and does things that are not done. It’s not possible in one day for the child to have changed so much.”

Pagourtzis said his son never displayed any signs that he would be capable of such violence, explaining that he didn’t fight with others, didn’t drink alcohol and seemed to enjoy healthy pursuits such as working out.

Pagourtzis also spoke with the Wall Street Journal. He told them that his son was “mistreated at school” and “that’s what was behind” the carnage.

“He never got into a fight with anyone. I don’t know what happened,” he said.

“Somebody probably came and hurt him, and since he was a solid boy, I don’t know what could have happened. I can’t say what happened. All I can say is what I suspect as a father.”

“I hope God helps me and my family understand. We are all devastated. It would have been better if he shot me than all those kids.”

“I have guns. I am a hunter and had a farm which I rented in the 1980s,” he said. “The guns in my house are legal and declared.”

Antonios Pagourtzis and his wife were allowed to visit their son in prison for 15 minutes.

“I saw the child. I didn’t see a child who is a murderer. A pure child, a child who was ashamed to look me in the face,” Pagourtzis said.

“He was thinking of his sisters, how his sisters will be able to get about. He said he loves me, he told his mother he loves her and he will try to be strong to help us cope.”

It was during this visit that the younger Pagourtzis reportedly told his parents that he had spared “the kids who were the good kids so they can tell his story.”

Pagourtzis will have his story told. Much of what’s known about the incident will become public during the sentencing, if not before.


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To: Simon Green

“They claim the boy was bullied and “mistreated” by his classmates. “

Wait until he gets to prison.


21 posted on 05/22/2018 2:12:33 PM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest)
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To: Bryanw92

Dad should shut up, he has the equivalent oc a D-9 Catapiller for a mouth.


22 posted on 05/22/2018 2:12:34 PM PDT by Ikeon (WhAaat? you got offended by something you read on the intranet?)
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To: Simon Green

Take the DAD’s guns He is mentally and morally incompetent.


23 posted on 05/22/2018 2:12:48 PM PDT by old-ager
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When we transitioned through middle and high school, did any of us get through not being “bullied” at some point?

If we didn’t kill people back then, then there is a way to go through life without killing our adversaries in school.

Quit making excuses!


24 posted on 05/22/2018 2:13:10 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (01/26/18 DJIA 30 stocks $26,616.71 48.794% > open 11/07/16 215.71 from 50% increase 1.2183 yrs..)
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To: Simon Green

Well that’s it then. He was bullied so it is legit for him to kill as many people as he could, especially that girl that refused his advances.

Great parents


25 posted on 05/22/2018 2:13:51 PM PDT by dirtymac
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To: old-ager

““It is like we see in the movies when someone gets into his body and does things that are not done.”


The father sees too many movies.

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26 posted on 05/22/2018 2:15:05 PM PDT by Mears
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To: ClearBlueSky

He is poor.

Judgement proof.


27 posted on 05/22/2018 2:15:05 PM PDT by Blue House Sue
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To: DoughtyOne

I was bullied by a group of three girls in middle school. This was a new school to me after we moved back from Japan. I tried to cope with it for a few weeks and then I responded. Fortunately, my parents had given me leather-soled shoes. Kicking a couple of them in the shins convinced them that I was not an easy target.

I’d never experienced anything like that and it was a shocking welcome to my return to the states.


28 posted on 05/22/2018 2:18:04 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: rktman

I keep hearing she shut him down in a very humiliating way in front of the whole class, but I haven’t heard exactly how.
Not saying it was in any way justified, but any cop will tell you that publicly humiliating people is a dicey game. You never know where someone’s breaking point will be. Especially this generation of snowflakes that grew up with participation trophies.
Our generation got shot down, told no, told we lost etc. They get told no and it completely discombobulates them.

But I would like to hear about this supposed public humiliation.


29 posted on 05/22/2018 2:18:14 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: rktman

And the father didn’t commit any crime.


30 posted on 05/22/2018 2:19:24 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: All

I am not here to make excuses for anybody but an alternate scenario is this — the boy was bullied and wanted to get even, the parents were not aware of the full extent of the bullying (because parents tend to judge their kids by their own experiences, if you’re not being bullied as a parent in the community, why would your kid be bullied?) ... so there was little advance recognition of the potential for disaster, then this happened.

I draw those conclusions in part from my own experience, in that I was an immigrant (to Canada), I was bullied relentlessly from about age eight to fifteen, and my parents didn’t want to hear about it because they were fitting in and doing fine (but they weren’t mixing with the parents of my classmates). So I had to deal with it all myself. If anyone here thinks that is easy, you’re dead wrong. You are in a new country, not of your own choosing, you have no way out, you are in physical danger every day, and you are sick of the situation and want it to end.

It had effects on me that I worked out gradually through insight as I matured but in a culture like yours (where guns are available) I might have done that too, seriously, because I was that frustrated with the non-stop bullying.

So deal with that, it’s not abnormal to get royally pissed off at being bullied. If you want to have a culture of guns and bullying, expect more of this.

Am I not right? The truth shall set you free.


31 posted on 05/22/2018 2:22:09 PM PDT by Peter ODonnell (Look for England to do well at the World Cup until it starts)
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To: Simon Green

That will be the latest defense for this and for the POS at Parkland.


32 posted on 05/22/2018 2:23:30 PM PDT by Mouton (The MSM is a clear and present danger to the republic.)
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To: Simon Green

I would think, any father would have the same response.

He’s searching for answers right now.

But he should have instilled into his son, that this kind of violence is certainly not the answer.


33 posted on 05/22/2018 2:25:21 PM PDT by skinndogNN
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To: PLMerite

True....he will learn about true bullying in prison.


34 posted on 05/22/2018 2:26:02 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: dirtymac

Girls whose instincts warn them about sociopaths like this should IGNORE those warnings and date the misunderstood sociopaths to make them feel good? That’s how you stop them from killing? Give them ONE victim instead of many? Wait for that ‘advice’ to be offered!


35 posted on 05/22/2018 2:27:05 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (ISLAM is the problem. ISLAM is the enemy of civilization.)
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To: Simon Green

Antonios Pagourtzis is too dumb to live in Texas. Deport him to California


36 posted on 05/22/2018 2:27:30 PM PDT by Oscar in Batangas (12:01 PM 1/20/2017...The end of an error.)
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To: Simon Green

True!! - He should have been placed in a mental institution long ago, IMHO.


37 posted on 05/22/2018 2:27:59 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said theoal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Your talking about a different generation, we all got bullied at one time or another in school.
We all had access to firearms (either our own or Dads), I was an expert shooter on my High School Rifle Team (California Cadet Corps).
We were all hunters and shooters, we all knew the damage a firearm could do.
We also believed in GOD, FAMILY, and consequences for our own actions.
The Nation has changed (not for the better), there are no longer REAL CONSEQUENCES for an individuals actions, when was the last time somebody was executed in your state.


38 posted on 05/22/2018 2:28:30 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: Simon Green
Father of Santa Fe Shooter – My son is the victim here

That happens, no problem.

39 posted on 05/22/2018 2:29:23 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Blue House Sue

His excretion killed 10 people. Surely his internal organs must be worth something to save lives.Dads and evil spawns.


40 posted on 05/22/2018 2:29:55 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (ISLAM is the problem. ISLAM is the enemy of civilization.)
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