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Peoples lives are being shattered & destroyed... Is there no such thing any longer as Due Process?
Real Donald Trump twitter account ^ | February 10, 2018 | President Donald Trump

Posted on 02/10/2018 12:04:10 PM PST by SMGFan

Peoples lives are being shattered and destroyed by a mere allegation. Some are true and some are false. Some are old and some are new. There is no recovery for someone falsely accused - life and career are gone. Is there no such thing any longer as Due Process?

10:33 AM - 10 Feb 2018


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: met; metoo; proveyoudidnt; strac6; texasgator; waco
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To: antidisestablishment

I would take a degree of issue with your characterization of “most Christians”.

I would say “some Christians”.

Herman Wouk described in his book “War and Remembrance” a human characteristic described as “The will not to see” and it is strong in many people, not just Christians.

On this particular subject, I know of what I speak, better than most. Just my two cents worth.


121 posted on 02/10/2018 4:13:01 PM PST by rlmorel (Leftists: American Liberty is the egg that requires breaking to make their Utopian omelette.)
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To: SMGFan

“stunning” in that someone would dare to use reason and logic in considering the issue, instead of unthinking emotion!

That thinking stuff tends to be a real drag on feel-good movements.


122 posted on 02/10/2018 4:15:01 PM PST by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: SMGFan

Well said, Mr. President!


123 posted on 02/10/2018 4:29:56 PM PST by familyop (President Trump said that we're all important, so let's do something!)
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To: GoldenState_Rose
Watch out neo-liberals...Solzhenitsyn is our guy not your guy.


124 posted on 02/10/2018 4:30:55 PM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: rlmorel

In your industry they would be gone (guilty before proven innocent)?

I am so sick and tired of the b@astardization of our Constitution.

INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty.


125 posted on 02/10/2018 4:59:18 PM PST by Reddy (B. O. stinks)
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To: mac_truck

Solzhenitsyn had his bad points too. As did Dostoevsky long before him. Too anti-Western civilization. Even historic Western civilization.

But Putin also totally shifted from paying lip service to Solzhenitsyn and went onto full on Stalin-glorification, esp after Solz died.


126 posted on 02/10/2018 5:03:56 PM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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To: grania

What ever happened to all of those women and their allegations against Roy Moore? How much money did they get? Sometimes it’s not cash, but a few days of living like a millionaire, flying to NYC, limo drivers, five star hotels and gourmet meals....all first class. The swamp media doesn’t count this as paying for a story, but the attention as a celebrity can be very enticing.


127 posted on 02/10/2018 5:11:39 PM PST by Freee-dame (Best election ever.d)
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To: grania
And if the vetting had been done in a timely manner, any questions could've been answered.

You're assuming the charges are true and not politically motivated.

Witch hunts are always politically motivated. This is a witch hunt. There's no preparation for it.

128 posted on 02/10/2018 6:29:40 PM PST by gogeo (excellent!)
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To: rlmorel

You’re right. I shouldn’t have said most, but enough to hurt and often too prevalent among the leadership. I confess that I cannot be objective in this matter, so please forgive my broad brush. I can’t play the saint, though I look forward to being one, once loosed from this veil of tears.

My faith in God is sure, but I’m not so good with trusting people, whatever creed they claim.

.


129 posted on 02/10/2018 6:32:37 PM PST by antidisestablishment ( Xenophobia is the only sane response to multiculturalismÂ’s irrational cultural exuberance)
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To: gogeo
You're assuming the charges are true and not politically motivated

No, I'm not. Because the security checks have not been completed in a timely manner, there's no way to defend against the charges. I'm assuming that the delay made charges all but inevitable and impossible to defend against.

130 posted on 02/10/2018 6:46:23 PM PST by grania (Deplorable and Proud of It!)
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To: Vlad The Inhaler

I'll see you and, err, umm "raise" you one:


131 posted on 02/10/2018 9:02:47 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: antidisestablishment

I think I knew what you meant.


132 posted on 02/10/2018 9:03:52 PM PST by rlmorel (Leftists: American Liberty is the egg that requires breaking to make their Utopian omelette.)
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To: grania

I’m curious...why do you think that would have made any difference whatsoever?


133 posted on 02/10/2018 9:19:35 PM PST by gogeo (excellent!)
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To: Reddy

Well, I view the business end in this way:

I don’t believe 1st Amendment rights are absolute. Certainly, anyone who has ever served in the military knows this to be true. Wait! Before you bite my head off, let me explain that.

I do believe you can stand on a corner and say “Jet Blue Sucks!”, but you can’t stand outside the Jet Blue Terminal as an employee, wearing Jet Blue mechanics overalls while saying “Jet Blue Sucks!”

I believe Jet Blue would have every right to fire that employee, and I would support them in that, especially if I worked at Jet Blue too.

In this case, if a woman says a guy did something to her, I believe it is the company’s right to have an internal investigation (which is what happens when someone goes to Human Resources in today’s day and age, no question) and then decide whether to keep the employee or not.

Does it mean I believe someone making a complaint is truthful every time? No, but if someone has something like that, I do believe it should be checked out.

Bottom line, I don’t view that entire process as a violation of my Constitutional rights. I believe that is the prerogative of the employer. Just my opinion.

And it certainly doesn’t mean you don’t have recourse if you are unjustly let go. You can usually obtain a trial, and people do win.


134 posted on 02/10/2018 9:28:12 PM PST by rlmorel (Leftists: American Liberty is the egg that requires breaking to make their Utopian omelette.)
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To: mac_truck

Solzhentisyn was also anti-Semitic unfortunately.


135 posted on 02/10/2018 11:24:16 PM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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To: gogeo
Why do you think it would have any difference whatsoever(re: those abuse charges)

Because if the vetting had properly occurred and he's innocent, the allegations could be explained. If he's guilty, he'd be fired. Instead, they were caught off guard.

My feeling: First of all, President Trump is truly tolerant of normal imperfections that all people have. Our "tolerant" liberal society isn't tolerant at all, it's dictatorial on expectations for behavior. It's dangerous, because nobody can possibly live up to standards imposed in these irrational purges. Secondly, I'm a retired teacher. From decades of supervising a classroom, I learned that any group, especially of entitled, spoiled brats, needs discipline. This WH is behaving like an out-of-control classroom, not appreciating that the standards they're supposed to adhere to are for real. Kelly maybe doesn't get it that they'll ignore military-style discipline, because they don't expect consequences for their modes of behavior. The WH needs discipline, and everyone on staff needs to be exemplary in their understanding of the position they're in.

136 posted on 02/11/2018 2:09:20 AM PST by grania (Deplorable and Proud of It!)
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To: grania
Because if the vetting had properly occurred and he's innocent, the allegations could be explained. If he's guilty, he'd be fired. Instead, they were caught off guard.

Right there is the flaw in your theory. So far as I know there's only one person in the Administration immune from the witch accusation, and that's Mike Pence...unless his wife gets mad at him.

That's the nature of witch hunts. You shouldn't assume rationality where none exists.

137 posted on 02/11/2018 9:21:27 AM PST by gogeo (excellent!)
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To: SMGFan
Remember when some bimbo reporter accused Corey Lewandowski of ‘throwing her to the ground’.... and hitting her?

She was lying.

THANK GOD the hotel was video taping all public rooms and there was proof the bimbo reporter was lying ...

138 posted on 02/11/2018 9:29:39 AM PST by GOPJ (Were FISA Courts used to spy on Conservative Americans during the Obama years?)
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To: GoldenState_Rose
Remember the bimbo reporter who accused Corey Lewandowski of ‘throwing her to the ground’.... and hitting her?

She was lying.

There are abuses on both sides... that's WHY we need to shore up the rule of law - not abandon it.

One of the reasons Weinstein got away with his abuse of women as long as he did was BECAUSE he was a liberal...or as he would say, if caught, he would just pick a fight with the NRA. The 'court of public opinion' is NOT the place to deal with these types of wrong. Too easily manipulated by 'elites' like Hollywood filth.

Lewandowski lucked out. THANK GOD the hotel was video taping all public rooms and there was proof the bimbo reporter was making it up. Not all men are that lucky. Or women. People can lie against women too - like Clinton was trying to do against Monica and Paula. Shore up access to the Court System... send illegals home so they don't clog up our courts... and use courts to set knowable standards.

139 posted on 02/11/2018 9:41:31 AM PST by GOPJ (Were FISA Courts used to spy on Conservative Americans during the Obama years?)
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To: gogeo

FWIW, I’m not assuming rationality from the Trump haters or the social Nazis. I’m saying don’t be caught off guard. I really don’t understand why everyone in the WH doesn’t have their security clearances by now. The problem with leaks, one would think, would’ve made that even more urgent.


140 posted on 02/11/2018 12:37:47 PM PST by grania (Deplorable and Proud of It!)
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