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Last-known Sobibor death camp survivor dies in Ukraine
Fox - AP ^ | 1/29/2018

Posted on 01/29/2018 8:48:30 AM PST by Borges

BERLIN – Arkady Waispapir, the last known survivor of the Nazis' Sobibor death camp, has died in Ukraine. He was 96.

The Berlin-based Memorial to the Murdered Jews of Europe said Monday that Waispapir died Jan. 11 in Kiev.

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To: Borges
One of the Operation Reinhard camps, and the evidence very well covered up. They didn't find the gas chambers until 2014. There were very few escapees from the extermination camps because nobody was intended to reside there - even the word "camp" is misleading. Only the Sonderkommando lived more than 24 hours and they were periodically murdered as well. Yitzhak Arad's Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka: The Operation Reinhard Death Camps tells the story, or as much of it as we knew or it in 1999. Reader discretion is advised.
21 posted on 01/29/2018 9:38:13 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Loud Mime

The question is not what is earth, but why? Why create the conditions that lead to such horror, then just sit back and say, “well, you have free will, make a choice.” It is nonsensical. You’ve created everything and know everything that will happen, which means you created evil and know the outcome. So why create it? There are two possible answers...


22 posted on 01/29/2018 9:42:12 AM PST by Avalon Memories
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To: dfwgator

Yeah, that was something. The camp guards were masters at deception.


23 posted on 01/29/2018 9:42:27 AM PST by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: Avalon Memories
My overwhelming thought was this...where was God?

God was watching in pain.

We have no idea how much evil was actually done in the 2 centuries previous to WWII.

God is a righteous and just God. Every evil done demands repayment.

When he was on the Cross he paid for all of the sins of man himself.

Where it is written of the bowls being poured out in the Apocalypse, I think that WWII was in one of those bowls. But that is just me.

24 posted on 01/29/2018 9:43:13 AM PST by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
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To: Avalon Memories

You are right, the idea is nonsensical, as is most of religious dogma.

Perhaps you’re drawing the wrong picture of God’s design on this earth, one that right now you do not agree with. Why do you stick with it?

Wake up! What does all this tell you? Maybe that some religious ideas make no sense at all?


25 posted on 01/29/2018 9:47:17 AM PST by Loud Mime (Liberalism: Intolerance masquerading as tolerance, Ignorance masquerading as Intelligence)
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To: Avalon Memories
"Why create conditions that can lead to such horrific, indescribable evil in the first place?"

I cannot begin to answer your question, and I suspect no human can. We can make surmise, some of them more educated than others, but that's about the limit of the human mind on such matters. If it were possible for men to fully understand and explain God's motives, deeds or what may appear to be His lack of intervention, then He wouldn't really be God.

26 posted on 01/29/2018 9:58:07 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: dfwgator

“Ordinary Men” is an interesting book about a Germaam Ordnungspolizei involved with the Holocaust. The unit was from Hamburg and one of their early assignments was to “relocate” Hamburg Jews east. They brought all their luggage, etc. One policeman recalled that they were none the wiser, having no reason to question that they were in fact simply relocating people, until they reached and saw their destination.


27 posted on 01/29/2018 9:59:00 AM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Flag burners can go screw -- I'm mighty PROUD of that ragged old flag)
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To: Avalon Memories
" Is for good men to do nothing"

"Good men" stepped forward to defeat this evil. Doing good takes more than just wishing and hoping and it is not instantaneous.

Who is it "up to"? It is up to YOU.

28 posted on 01/29/2018 10:17:33 AM PST by johncatl (...governs least, governs best.)
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To: Avalon Memories
" Is for good men to do nothing"

"Good men" stepped forward to defeat this evil. Doing good takes more than just wishing and hoping and it is not instantaneous.

Who is it "up to"? It is up to YOU.

29 posted on 01/29/2018 10:17:34 AM PST by johncatl (...governs least, governs best.)
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To: Borges

Never saw the film, thanks for the link.

Will say a prayer for him tonight. These guys were braver and tougher than any whining NFL player.

In 2006 My wife and I visited Dachau in the winter. We were freezing in our heavy coats as we trudged through the snow from the barracks to the crematorium. How these people survived in threads with almost no food I will never know.


30 posted on 01/29/2018 10:18:30 AM PST by KingofZion
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To: Avalon Memories

Jesus said that Satan is the ruler of this world.


31 posted on 01/29/2018 10:21:26 AM PST by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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To: dfwgator

Bookmark


32 posted on 01/29/2018 10:21:55 AM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: Avalon Memories

So that your love of God and others is due entirely to free will.


33 posted on 01/29/2018 10:33:05 AM PST by GingisK
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To: Avalon Memories
I watched films taken by the Russian army when they liberated Auschwitz (sp) just last Saturday. My overwhelming thought was this...where was God?


Have you ever seen "Come and See (Idi i Smotri)"?

34 posted on 01/29/2018 10:34:20 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

I’ve seen it. It’s pretty rough stuff.


35 posted on 01/29/2018 11:42:35 AM PST by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: Avalon Memories

You - with your pea-sized brain - have no idea.


36 posted on 01/29/2018 11:57:31 AM PST by tjd1454
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To: dfwgator

Excellent movie! Thank You for posting it.


37 posted on 01/29/2018 12:02:55 PM PST by Randy Larsen (Trump IS MY president and I'm damn proud of him!)
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To: tjd1454

Pea-sized brain...hmmmm, such a religiously based charitable response from you. No surprise, since the most religious people (any religion) are often the least tolerant.


38 posted on 01/29/2018 2:06:18 PM PST by Avalon Memories
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To: Avalon Memories
Funny how you - holding to a worldview which has no basis whatsoever for ethical moralizing - it was Dostoevsky who succinctly put it: "If there is no God, then everything is permitted" - nonetheless passes moral judgment against those who dare question your presumption that there is no God.

By questioning God Himself, you are sitting in judgment of the Almighty, which is the absolute epitome of hubris.

I repeat: you have no idea. But one day you will. But don't take it from a nobody such as myself: "at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." (Philippians 2:10).

39 posted on 01/29/2018 2:37:28 PM PST by tjd1454
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holding to a worldview

You have no idea what my worldview is. In my original post on this thread, I asked questions in the face of monumental evil shown in the Russian film of the liberation of Auschwitz. Monumental isn't even a strong enough word. My thought while watching it was, "where was God in all that horror."

Others responded kindly and informatively. You were the only person who chose to be insulting. So again, you showed zero charity and thoughtful guidance to someone who is questioning. That is the absolute epitome of intolerance, some thing Jesus Christ, The Lord, would abhor.

40 posted on 01/29/2018 3:00:10 PM PST by Avalon Memories
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