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Hmm, could this be why Army has a 2 year football winning streak against Navy? 😀
1 posted on 12/24/2017 10:57:30 AM PST by PROCON
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2 posted on 12/24/2017 10:59:32 AM PST by morphing libertarian (Build Kate's Wall)
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“Navy gives 48,000 sailors ‘fitness pardon’ who can’t meet fitness demands”

Curious if that includes swimming. No I did not read the article.


3 posted on 12/24/2017 11:04:50 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Conservatives seek the truth. Democrats seek the power to dictate what truth is.)
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This needs to be addressed immediately . . . zero slack given!!!
4 posted on 12/24/2017 11:04:59 AM PST by rhubarbk (Winning, Winning, Winning . . . MAGA it's a beautiful thing!!!)
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Interesting how far through the bottom of the barrel is the Military Industrial kleptocracy is tunneling these days...

Bet the Chinese aren’t having that problem.


5 posted on 12/24/2017 11:05:17 AM PST by HLPhat ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS" -- Government with any other purpose is not American.)
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No participation ribbons?


6 posted on 12/24/2017 11:06:35 AM PST by bigbob (People say believe half of what you see son and none of what you hear - M. Gaye)
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I think that it’s essential that sailors be able to run two miles in under fifteen minutes so they can run across the ocean and attack the enemy ships.

They should be able to fly, too.


8 posted on 12/24/2017 11:08:11 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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“Social promotion” by another name.


9 posted on 12/24/2017 11:08:14 AM PST by zipper (In their heart of hearts, every Democrat is a communist)
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Just one reason why we had multiple ships collide in the Asian sea?


10 posted on 12/24/2017 11:08:36 AM PST by wastedyears (US out of the UN, UN out of the US.)
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One more confidence builder (not) in our armed forces.

Perhaps it’s just the media doing what it does, but I don’t get the impression we’re at our highest levels of preparedness right now.

Would love to have someone destroy that perception.


11 posted on 12/24/2017 11:09:49 AM PST by DoughtyOne (McConnell, Ryan, and the whole GOPe are dead to me. Are Alabamans tired of winning?)
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This old Army guy,like many,doesn't know much about the Navy...or Air Force.I can easily see why fitness standards are important for a land force like the Army and Marines (yes,I know the Marines aren't entirely "land").OTOH,I wonder if fitness standards are just as important for the typical Sailor or Airman.

And yes,I'm prepared to be slammed by former Sailors,Airmen and others.

12 posted on 12/24/2017 11:10:03 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Remember: All Cultures Are Equal!)
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When I was in you could be charged for 2 failures on the Physical Test.

They first time you failed, you were put in a daily exercise program and when you weren’t on leave you had to exercise daily for 20 mins and weigh in twice a week.

They also changed your diet in the galley, you weren’t allowed to eat what everyone else eats.

I never failed (I always showed up for the voluntary pre-tests to make sure I was going to pass) , but I think being humiliated in the galley was the worst because they made them go to the front of the line so they could make sure what they were putting on their tray.

We even had a Chief that failed. Apparently the other senior enlisted were shunning him because of his failure.


16 posted on 12/24/2017 11:16:21 AM PST by dila813 (Voting for Trump to Punish Trumpets!)
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You think Putin or Red China gives their forces this kind of slack ? He’ll, do you think Mexico does?

Our forces today are not the same as our Father’s Day sadly


17 posted on 12/24/2017 11:21:11 AM PST by WashingtonFire (President Trump - it's like having your dad as President !)
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Is the fitness test a proper measure of the required fitness?

In the old days, a sailor had to climb the rigging, furl and unfurl sails, move cannon and lift cannon balls and powder, among other things. The work required physical fitness, but it also helped maintain physical fitness.

Now you may have sailors working on a flight deck doing what they have to do to launch and land aircraft and that activity probably helps keep them fit, but you also have sailors who are sonar or radar operators, work that I doubt contributes to their physical fitness. Should the deck hands have a higher standard of fitness? Should those who sit for their whole watch be given a break? Should the latter be given extra time off to maintain the physical fitness that their job doesn’t help them with?


18 posted on 12/24/2017 11:22:15 AM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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On a tangential note, I watched the Army/SDSU bowl game yesterday and after each Army score their cheerleaders and others were shown doing pushups in the end zone equal to the number of points Army had posted so far.

The majority of the guys and a couple of the girls were doing them correctly - nose touching the ground, or close to it.

Howver, most of the girls and some (too many) of the guys were barely flexing their arms, ie ~four inches of drop to 'push up' from.

As a 170 lb old guy who can still fit into the clothes he wore in high school and college, am I allowed to 'tsk tsk' at such ?

  ps: although, given a couple current health issues, attempting to run 1.5 miles would doubtless kill me ;-)

20 posted on 12/24/2017 11:24:14 AM PST by tomkat
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21 posted on 12/24/2017 11:26:21 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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“....“Other major changes will include making sailors take a body fat test immediately after reporting to a new command and also making sailors who fail the fitness test ineligible for advancement or frocking,” the report said.....”

The above is the sanction remaining. There is some reason to shape up.


24 posted on 12/24/2017 11:28:19 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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Entirely predictable. An active duty sailor, I saw this coming. We've just kicked out too many otherwise qualified people for PT failures while at the same time pretty much ending command PT sessions (at least in the aviation community).

Sailors spend all their time working on qualifications, collateral duties, volunteer hours, higher education, and standing watch, in addition to the job they were hired to do while being fed high-carb navy chow (on a ship even the veggies have bacon), and are given little time to work out on their own.

Now President Trump (MAGA) wants a bigger Navy. We need a bigger Navy! And we've shown the door to too many good sailors who knew their jobs and were qualified to operate the gear they used.

28 posted on 12/24/2017 11:34:02 AM PST by Drew68
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This is what happens, with no draft as a practical option to staff our military forces.

The further result is a great many in our population who are distant from the services, having no family members or friends in the military.

I believe the draft is good for our country.

Back in the days when we won major wars, which stayed won, we did have a draft. (I have seen all of the stats. Many enlistees for Vietnam did so to avoid the draft, get training/duty stations of their choice)


36 posted on 12/24/2017 11:51:38 AM PST by truth_seeker
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Unfit sailors contribute to readiness?


38 posted on 12/24/2017 11:55:16 AM PST by arthurus (A)
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Sort of like an offshoot of the Cloward-Piven strategy.

Overwhelm systems until they do not have the capacity to respond.


39 posted on 12/24/2017 11:58:36 AM PST by Vlad The Inhaler (United We Stand, Divided We Fall. Remember That Diversity Is The Opposite Of Unity.)
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