Here are the 12 House Republicans Who Voted AGAINST Tax Cuts

Trump is fighting an impossible effort. He is a different sort of politician that hasn’t been around for many, many years.

He has nothing in a political closet. His job can’t be threatened as he already had a job before he took this one, for a lot more money. Let’s face it, he took a cut. He has worth they can’t touch, and he can say and do anything he feels like telling the press to get the hell off his plane. And what did they do? Nothing. He called their bluff, among other things, and they didn’t know what to do. He wasn’t scared, he was pissed.

And that’s what the conservative voters are....pissed. We are tired of weak people in office “defending” our rights with compromise. We are tired of this great country being urinated on by third world countries that don’t have a pot to piss in. And with actions like these 12, even a win is an embarrassment, a shame.

It is time for the new USA to step forward and say, “We are in charge, and we will make this country strong so you will win out over everyone standing in the way. And that means everyone, even if it means our own.”

I thought we had a chance with Reagan. But he was outnumbered with his own people, at least. The Tea Party started out strong, learned to compromise, and then folded.

And then along comes Trump. He is changing the way things are getting done but his own party is his anchor. Ryan and McConnell are his greatest problems. They don’t know how to be in charge. They are more interested in keeping their job than to go the distance. So Trump takes what he can because his own people won’t help. And, again, that is a compromise and a win isn’t a win. It’s a postponement.

Thomas Paine is reported to have said it best, “Lead, follow, or get out of the way.” Trump’s ready to go. Are his followers in the house and senate ready? It doesn’t appear so. They have too much baggage to pack.

rwood

This is not an ideological move on these folks part. It may be for some, but I have known Roherbacher for over 20 years. He’s a great solid Conservative.

He lives in a state where the SALT situation may anger some constitutions. When this bill was going to pass anyway, it would be a suicidal and wasted vote for him to vote for this bill.

This IS NOT a situation where he voted against us to effect blockage of a bill. Comparing him to McCain, Collins, and others wouldn’t be right.

We need to keep his seat, so that when an important bill comes up and the vote is close, he can help us.

If this was ideological on his part, it would come from a Conservative vantage point. I won’t fault a guy for that either.

We got the bill we want. I’d have to go through and study each no vote before I would sign on to trashing these folks.

From: http://www.factcheck.org/2017/11/facts-salt-deduction/

“... 45.7 percent of tax filers in Maryland in 2015 took the state and local tax deduction, with an average claim of $12,931, while at the opposite end of the spectrum, 16.9 percent of filers in South Dakota claimed an average deduction of $6,098”

Read that carefully, in MD that’s $12K in SALT deductions on AVERAGE. So these numbers are not being driven by the middle class.

Nationally, it’s the same story: only 30% of tax filers itemize, so it’s high-income earners in high-tax states who will be impacted by the SALT deduction limit, not the breadth of the American middle class.

As for other taxes and fees you cite, irrelevant.

We’ve been folding up either all or partial for 60 years and it’s time we stopped placating a group of people that will cut our throats out if they thought it would give them more power or wealth. Every little scrap we give them is an encouragement to try something else. Until the conservative party puts their boot edge into their throats every time, and hammers them into submission, it invites recklessness like we have seen in the past that has done a lot of damage to this country. It places the possibility of empowerment into their minds that they can say and do anything they want no matter how much damage it does, no matter who gets hurt, or how.

And even when they are not in the majority, they get stupid and do things that in some cases could be considered certifiable.

For the first time in my lifetime, at least, we have a president that is willing to go balls to the wall and do the tough love this country needs. We tried diplomacy, we tried deal making, we tried sharing, we tried ignoring, we even allowed them to take control during our controlling times and make decisions for us, and all it got us was our a$$ handed to us. Going in the tank to keep a seat I can promise you was not awarded based upon liberal votes, to placate people is not keeping a seat. It’s retreat. Now is the time to act, not withdraw. You don’t keep land by letting them have any. Look what we did to the plains Indians. They let the white eyes have a little land. And it got the people of their land put in reservations when they successfully lived with the land for thousands of years. Their problem wasn’t being able to sustain a life on the land, it was us saying they couldn’t. And we had no idea what we were talking about.

If you want the responsibility of doing the job the way the voters do, it is no longer to be “fair.” Fair gets you the ACA, the draining of funds in lieu of social programs, illicit welfare, illegal aliens and their protection, sharia law, questionable education of our youth, accepted immoralities and their approval like condoms in schools, open lies that never get called on.. .......it just never stops. It has to BE stopped.

And you don’t do it by giving them an inch. Backing off a bill to give them that inch shows weakness and invites attacks. Don’t give them the chance.

rwood

Roherbacher lives in California.

You are well aware that California is certifiably Leftist these days.

I know you mean well, but what I see in you is an ideological urge to attain perfection. While I share that view, I also like playing inside baseball.

If you don’t need a guy’s vote, you allow him to protect his Representative seat.

Roherbacher is as Conservative as you are, perhaps more-so.

If he is drummed out of his seat, it would be impossible to replace him with an equally good Conservative, who would also have to hedge his bets when possible.

You keep referring to this in terms as if you believe this vote means Roherbacher is a closet Leftist. You couldn’t be more wrong.

“You keep referring to this in terms as if you believe this vote means Roherbacher is a closet Leftist.”

No, actually I believe the conservatives are screwing the pooch. I was born and raised in California, and understand the system there as much as anyone.

Voting in a way to protect a seat in California for a conservative is not based upon getting liberal votes. Liberals in California don’t vote for a conservative for anything. He’s in there based upon the conservative votes he got. With the attitude of the liberals in California and their go for the jugular on anything and everything, he won’t hold a seat for California unless he earns his groups vote. He won’t get theirs. So, do I think he’s a closet leftist, absolutely not. If he got a seat from California as a conservative, he damn sure earned it. But not from liberals. So that misnomer of his keeping his seat by placating liberals is a wonderful thought. Just not a possible one.

The only way to win with liberals is to swat them on to their keyster. It has to be done every time, every way, as much as possible. Liberals take advantage of every loophole whether it is one or not. I’m sure you can come up with a number of incorrect phrases, better known as lies, to accomplish something by taking away something else.

In my writing here I hope I have offered you the chance to re-think what voting for a bill to save a seat using people that probably, and in my mind didn’t, vote them into office. They are not impressing anyone on the left by voting this way for a lost bill vote to keep a seat when everyone knows they did it to pander. That cat was out of the bag as soon as they did it. So they could have voted for the bill like their counterparts and not be foolish enough to think they were fooling the libs? Or they could have abstained and not hurt or helped anyone of which I feel is being disingenuous to both.

You can’t give liberals an inch. You can’t placate them as they have already made a decision on you based upon your party choice. You can’t do anything for them as they hate and do not trust you, and you can’t make deals with them as they can’t be trusted or given a thing they can use against you because they will.

Anything else is not winning, it’s breaking even. And that’s a loss.

rwood

Since you lived in California, it has gone full on Leftist.

We now have cross over voting, and in general elections we now choose between the top we people who got the most votes in the primary.

Next year we will vote between two Democrats for governor. Last year we voted between two for U. S. Senator.

Roeherbacher will face this.

He did the right thing.

The bill passed just as they knew it would.

Try and be happy.

“we now choose between the top two people who got the most votes in the primary.”

This is an example of my point about giving them an inch. About doing anything to empower them. Liberals will do anything, and try anything, to gain power. California is one of the largest states in the union both population and economy. Yet they have been allowed to limit the political opportunities of their voters based upon the recruitment and training of people with media lies, liberal bills, questionable elections, and even threats to separation from the union. They have defied the federal government with the hiding of illegal aliens. They have awarded voting capacity to non-citizens. They slowly phased out conservatives from their governing ranks, and they are not going to stop there. And it has not stopped there.

By sending two liberals to congress, without the possibility of a conservative going by rigging elections, now crosses over into my world just like when the southern democrats tried to use the population size of the slaves for voting capacity in congress back in the mid 1800’s. In other words, if you can’t win fair and square, stack the deck.

“Roeherbacher will face this.”

No he won’t. As the tide is being directed away from conservatism in California so that he won’t be able to get enough conservatives to even get a chance at the ballot, then why run. Waste of his money, and his time. And as more and more conservative values are grounded in the state, the free election system in California will be dead in the water. And that will effect the entire country.

What happens when Oregon, Washington state, Colorado, New York, Hawaii or any more of the liberal states tack onto the same direction? It will just be a matter of time before there will be a one party political system that has learned how to look you in the eye and do what they want while they laugh at you and crawl into your pocketbook. And it will be because no one was willing to take a stand for what’s right and was willing to accept compromise.

You can’t make a deal with a hungry tiger. They don’t listen. Neither do liberals. They will eat you. And unlike tigers, liberals will pick their teeth with your bones and wait for your children to show up for dinner. And when they control all the watches, it will be on their time.

We had a war in the late 1700’s to stop this from England. The war for this one is being fought right now. And the people we are fighting have the same take over theory the brits did then. We couldn’t accept compromise then. We can’t now.

“Try and be happy.”

Be happy with what. The slow destruction of a country that has been more successful than any in the history of this little rock in space. And this while a group of dishonest people are trying to make us like everyone else? We fought for independence, not for more of the same. And I spent half my life fighting some where to keep it so my neighbors could destroy it right out from under me? Happy? Oh I’m just flat overjoyed!!!!

rwood

You really need to get over your mistaken mindset here.

You’re wasting both of our time trying to push the idea we should get our guys tossed out on principle.

Some times it’s best to avoid a situation, instead of do something that will not benefit us, and has the potential to devastate our future positions when these folks will be needed.

We need to have the majority in the House.

Here you advocate exposing 12 people to being booted by their constituents, when those constituents may be adversely affected by the removed ability to deduct Blue State taxes on their federal form.

You don’t know your ass from a hole in the ground on this issue.

“And you really need to get over your mistaken mindset here.”

When you deal with people that have no principle and have been systematically trying to destroy this country over the past 70 to 80 years, and you want to let them know you have no idea just how effective they can be at the drop of a hat, then you’re the one with the misconceptions.

You have a majority in the house and 12 of your majority changed their votes to pander the minority. And by doing so do you really think they didn’t see it for what it was? You said yourself that they used loopholes to chase conservatives out of the major races in California for one of the houses last year, and this coming year, they are going to get a liberal governor as they are doing the same to that post. And conservatives have been systematically erased to the point that they think they are fooling the libs. By the action of erasing them with the libs threat and the misconception they can get something done in an ultra-liberal state like this, those 12 are rendered absolutely useless by throwing away a vote. And when the libs get enough of their “uselessness” along with showing just how weak the GOP is, they will see to it there will be no vote capacity for their slots too. And their only use at that point is packing their desk up. And, again, if the liberal states take all the conservatives out of the house and senate, where’s your majority then. And I don’t care what party the president is, he will have two choices, 1., sign the liberal bills coming at him or her, or 2., be forced to use executive orders that will change the next liberal president gets in office. The orders can’t stop legislation. But the GOP won’t get any.

You think I have no idea about my ass? You wait, yours is in the same war mine is and whether you know it or not, it’s in peril. And the enemy is going to see to it you won’t have one at all. And they are smiling all the way right now because they are getting away with it. And you can’t see it.

Your words, “You’re wasting both of our time trying to push the idea we should get our guys tossed out on principle.”

I’m not pushing it for principle. I’m not pushing it at all. I believe my words were the GOP is screwing the pooch. I’m using reality and what is already happening in California. And it can spread like the plague to every lib state. I won’t have to say they should get themselves pushed out on principle. The libs will get rid of them when they are ready. And neither of us will have a say in it. And neither will any other GOP party member. They will become valueless and non-existent. Remember them well.

I won’t be bothering you again. Thank you for the time. Sorry it was a waste from both directions.

rwood

We have twelve people from blue states.

Their fellow state citizens will not be able to deduct their state taxes starting next year.

This could be a hardship on them. Our leaders gave these 12 people the option to vote against the bill in the interest of saving their seats for harder battles ahead, because they knew this bill was going to pass.

Here you are still harping on the idea that these folks sold out. You are a mindless fool.

Constituents of these people could turn on them and blame them for their vote that cost them money.

You seriously think jeopardizing 12 seats in the House when they didn’t need to was the right thing to do.

I don’t doubt you are a Conservative and think you’re advocating for the right thing, but if we were to wind up the minority by six votes in 2019, would you still think putting those 12 seats in jeopardy and losing eight of them was a great idea?

Those twelve no votes were a strategic move. I fully support it.

Again, if McCain, Snow, or some other Republican votes against legislation and it fails, it’s a totally different matter. That would be a substantive betrayal.

I do fight for the side you do. I just try to do it intellectually as well as enthusiastically.

I know what the stakes are. I know that keeping those 12 seats is very important.

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