House passes gun reciprocity, faces challenge in Senate from Dems and gun control advocates

Fox News ^ | 12/06/2017 | Joseph Weber

[A strike]

You are both correct, in this case grobdriver more so.

Unfortunately, Omnibus bills are a cemented political fact and standing on principle, while always right, loses in the long run when not tempered with that reality.

[Azeem]

"Californians CAN get no-residency concealed carry permits from UTAH: Would this mean Calif has to honor the Utah permit..?"

The last time I checked when I renewed my Utah non-res license (and NOT in California), a Utah non-res license is not permitted without a valid license in your state of residency.

[Howie66]

Muzzie Goat Humper Keith Ellis is the name that I have heard.

[rktman]

🐐💩👺. SMDH.

[RKBA Democrat]

Nice that the house bothered to vote, but it’s kabuki theater just the same. The senate won’t get rid of the filibuster so it’s dead in the water. Civil rights for the peasantry is much less important than splitting up the goodies.

Politics is a scam and we’re suckers for playing.

[DarthVader]

I think what you are suggesting is correct.

[buffaloguy]

Warm up your cell phones people. We are going flood the Senate with calls.

[Noumenon]

“14 Rs vote no.”

Vichy Republican swine. The naming of the names. For your special lists:

Adams
Aguilar
Amash
Barragán
Bass
Beatty
Bera
Beyer
Blumenauer
Blunt Rochester
Bonamici
Boyle, Brendan F.
Brady (PA)
Brown (MD)
Buck
Bustos
Butterfield
Capuano
Carbajal
Cárdenas
Carson (IN)
Cartwright
Castor (FL)
Castro (TX)
Chu, Judy
Cicilline
Clark (MA)
Clarke (NY)
Clay
Cleaver
Clyburn
Cohen
Connolly
Cooper
Correa
Costa
Costello (PA)
Courtney
Crist
Crowley
Cummings
Curbelo (FL)
Davis (CA)
Davis, Danny
DeFazio
DeGette
Delaney
DeLauro
DelBene
Demings
DeSaulnier
Deutch
Dingell
Doggett
Donovan
Doyle, Michael F.
Ellison
Engel
Eshoo
Espaillat
Esty (CT)
Evans
Fitzpatrick
Foster
Frankel (FL)
Fudge
Gabbard
Gallego
Garamendi
Gohmert
Gomez
Gottheimer
Green, Al
Green, Gene
Grijalva
Gutiérrez
Hanabusa
Hastings
Heck
Higgins (NY)
Himes
Hoyer
Huffman
Jackson Lee
Jayapal
Jeffries
Johnson (GA)
Johnson, E. B.
Kaptur
Keating
Kelly (IL)
Khanna
Kihuen
Kildee
Kilmer
King (NY)
Krishnamoorthi
Kuster (NH)
Lance
Langevin
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lawrence
Lawson (FL)
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lieu, Ted
Lipinski
Loebsack
Lofgren
Lowenthal
Lowey
Lujan Grisham, M.
Luján, Ben Ray
Lynch
Maloney, Carolyn B.
Maloney, Sean
Massie
Matsui
McCollum
McEachin
McGovern
McNerney
Meehan
Meeks
Meng
Moore
Moulton
Murphy (FL)
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal
Nolan
Norcross
O’Halleran
O’Rourke
Pallone
Panetta
Pascrell
Payne
Pelosi
Perlmutter
Peters
Pingree
Polis
Price (NC)
Quigley
Raskin
Rice (NY)
Richmond
Ros-Lehtinen
Rosen
Roskam
Roybal-Allard
Ruiz
Ruppersberger
Rush
Ryan (OH)
Sánchez
Sarbanes
Schakowsky
Schiff
Schneider
Scott (VA)
Scott, David
Serrano
Sewell (AL)
Shea-Porter
Sherman
Sinema
Sires
Slaughter
Smith (NJ)
Smith (WA)
Soto
Speier
Suozzi
Swalwell (CA)
Takano
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Titus
Tonko
Torres
Tsongas
Vargas
Veasey
Vela
Velázquez
Visclosky
Walz
Wasserman Schultz
Waters, Maxine
Watson Coleman
Welch
Wilson (FL)
Yarmuth

[WildHighlander57]

Thanks for the link !

I read a comment that they snuck a ‘gun control’s clause in there; any validity to this?

[WildHighlander57]

Found it; h/t vladzred

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3611347/posts?page=16#16

[Impy]

Republicans that voted no: some like Ken Buck of Colorado, an original co-sponser of the bill voted against it because of the background check crap they stuck in it

Justin Amash (MI), Thomas Massie (KY), Louie Gohmert (TX) shared his concern

I get their objection, the no-buy list violates due process. But the vast majority decided the bill was worth supporting anyway.

Gun grabbing RINOS voting no, Carlos Curbelo and Illeana Ros-Loserton of Florida, Leonard Lance and Chris Smith (pro-life hero but otherwise bad) of NJ, Pete King of NY

Others voting no, I’m sure for which reason, ROSKAM (IL), Dan Donovan (NY), Costello, Fitzpatrick, and Meehan, of PA. I suspect it was an act of cowardice on Roskam’s part and suspect Donovan of RINOism. Unsure of the PA guys.

Rats voting yes. Sanford Bishop of GA (only Black moderate, moving a bit to the right on this after lurching left), Kurt Schrader of Oregon, Vicente Gonzalez and Moderatish Henry Cuellar of Texas, Ron Kind of Wisconsin (TRUMP district), most Moderate House Rat Colin Peterson of Minnesota (very Trump district).

I hope anti-gun rats primary Peterson, Kind, and Schrader , we can win those seats.

[JudgemAll]

Same here. If the feds can today force states to adopt conceal
carry, they can tomorrow force to abandon. It is a dangerous precedent leaving no defensive measure, opening a flank.

Also it is poorly and weakly worded. 1. Frankly it is a constitutional right and more than a mere Civil right, but something of the order of defending from sedition against destructions of our rights, power balance and safety of the nation. This bill should reassert the constitutionality of the 2A, reminding historically how weapons were used to defend people helping free slaves and how the KKK restricted them in their states.

2. It reads like a weapon treaty assuming we are predators when this is about self defense and no treaty of limitted hunt should apply. There is no licence and knowledge of who is armed and not armed at the federal
level. It is recipe for divisive lists.

[Jim Noble]

There is no general Federal police power that would make a law voiding the (stupid and reckless) NY SAFE Act constitutional.

[Jim Noble]

The last Senate version of a similar bill adopted several amendments offered by Barbara Boxer which basically said that in order for a State CCW permit to be recognized nationally, a given State would have to adopt the restrictions of the most restrictionist States, in effect creating a Federal CCW license similar to the new standards (Real ID) for driver licenses.

Any bill which could pass the Senate will be terrible.

Congress should, instead, pass 49-state permit reciprocity for the District of Columbia, which a) is specifically within their authority and b) does not create a Federal police power infringing on Statte authority.

[Road Warrior ‘04]

Now, maybe, we’ll see how many of the so-called Republicans, and Democrat Senators from Western States, are really, reeallly, reeeeallllly 2nd Amendment supporters. I’m thinking , very few! Me thinks this will never get to the floor for a vote. McTurtle will have none of this!

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

State’s rights concerns maybe?

Nope. The Constitution is very clear about that. The 10th amendment:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

The Constitution seems to have made clear this issue of reciprocity in the 2nd amendment: "...the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Thus, it is not a States rights issue.

Let the States bring their lawsuits. They'll lose in the USSC.

[mlo]

"Republicans that voted no: some like Ken Buck of Colorado, an original co-sponser of the bill voted against it because of the background check crap they stuck in it"

There is no background check crap in it. As long as you have a permit in your own state, and aren't barred by federal law from possessing a firearm, you are covered.

[mlo]

"Same here. If the feds can today force states to adopt conceal carry, they can tomorrow force to abandon. It is a dangerous precedent leaving no defensive measure, opening a flank."

No, it's nothing like that. It doesn't force states to adopt concealed carry at all. You have to have a permit in your own state, and the state you travel to has to allow permits. No state is forced to give permits that doesn't already.

There is no permutation of this bill that could lead to the Feds cancelling state CCW laws.

"Also it is poorly and weakly worded... It reads like a weapon treaty"

Did you actually read it, or are you basing this on the content of news accounts about it? Your comments do not describe the text of the bill.