New Jersey Governor - Guadagno vs. Murphy

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[jmacusa]

Are you nuts? Pennsylvania is more Democrat than Jersey is. And I live in Ocean County.

[JoSixChip]

It’s the other way around

Complete garbage. there is no rational argument to be made that I should have to pay more in federal taxes on the same amount of income then you do. Of course that never stopped givesmethat people like you from trying

And since when is expressing an opinion around here “whining.” Oh, I know: when you want that opinion shut down.

No, it's when you constantly whine for weeks on end, over and over and over again, because you think your entitled to someone else's money. You made your choices, don't expect me to pay for your, and your fellow voters, stupidity.

[JLAGRAYFOX]

I agree...but, there are enough folks in New Jersey across the entire state to overcome what I call the “Corey Booker Low life Vermin” And...I do not mean African-Americans. I mean ultra, left wing, Democrat Party, parasites that seek to gain control of the entire state and the people in it, all of the people in it. They want to take our guns, they want to tax us to pain or death and then they want to rule us without us peeping a whimper...ya know like Hitler Stalin, Mussolini, Obama and Idi Amin, etc.

And...the political trend is against the direction you folks are headed in. Obama, who hates the American Republic and people, thought he could destroy the American Republic.

But, all he destroyed, was himself, his legacy, the entire Democrat Party and then...to boot, he bankrupted the Democrat National Committee!!! What a guy!!! Sad, New Jersey sad!!!

The handwriting of the downfall of the great state of New jersey is clearly on the wall for all of you to see...yet most of you, are in forever denial mode...SAD, once again!!!

[montag813]

Republicans were stupid to nominate a female in NJ. A strong male figure like Trump or Christie would be leading comfortably, instead of trailing badly.

[laconic]

Sorry, Pennsylvania has a Republican senator, a majority of its House delegation is Rep, and a majority of both the State senate and House are Republican. New Jersey has none of these characteristics.

[folkquest]

New Jersey is a weird state. They are essentially a “hard blue” democrat state, but every decade or so they get fed up with the democrat’s corruption or tax and spend policies and elect a Republican. Chris Christie was such a Republican, more an exception than the rule. Looks like they are back to electing democrats until they get screwed over enough to switch back.

True, but look at the "Republicans" NJ elects: Christie (RINO), Kean (RINO), Whitman (RINO)... A true conservative in the mold of a Tim Pawlenty, for instance, would never be considered. There are many conservative areas in NJ, but they are in more rural counties. The socialists in Union, Passaic, Hudson, Mercer and Essex Counties will most often out-vote the rest of this state, which is more and more a suburb of New York or Philadelphia, to its detriment.

[mware]

Murphy has said will make NJ a sanctuary. state, and increase taxes. It,s going to be a long Cole year

[mware]

Murphy has said will make NJ a sanctuary. state, and increase taxes. It,s going to be a long Cole year

[NoCmpromiz]

We are trying to give you misfits Philadelphia!

And why not. It meshes nicely with Camden...

[1217Chic]

Well I did my part here in Hunterdon County.....hoping for a miracle...NJ is a craphole we don’t need it to be a sanctuary state as well...

[HamiltonJay]

Odds of NJ voting R again on the heels of Christie are nearly nil... wouldn’t have mattered who the candidate was.

Christie is leaving office with an approval rating near the single digits... the odds of ANY Republican winning following him are none. Better a viable R keep their powder dry for a better environment than take the drubbing that’s coming.

Whoever the R was this time was a sacrificial lamb, and knew going in his odds of a win were about the same as a snowballs in hell.

[HamiltonJay]

NJ is nothing like PA... all states have the blue vs red in the urban vs rural.. the problem wth NJ is its a relatively small geographical footprint with two HUGE urban centers in it.. the NYC burbs and the Philly burbs... not enough land mass and population to counter the urban D vote unless the D’s anger too much of the middle.

Too much geographical footprint of NJ is blue to even remotely compare it to PA.

Christie is leaving office at nearly single digit approval ratings, no R has a shot at a win in that environment.

[SkyPilot]

Let's look at some facts, shall we?

https://taxfoundation.org/state-and-local-tax-deduction-primer/

You should read that. You will learn something.

For instance:

History of State and Local Tax Deductibility The deductibility of state and local taxes is older than the current federal income tax itself. The provision has its origin in the nation’s first effort at income taxation (eventually found unconstitutional) under the Civil War-financing Revenue Act of 1862, and was carried over into the Revenue Act of 1913, the post-Sixteenth Amendment legislation creating the modern individual income tax. The rationale for the original provision only comes down to us in fragments, though a fear that high levels of federal taxation might “absorb all [the states’] taxable resources,” a concern first addressed in the Federalist Papers, appears to have held sway.[10] Lawmakers sought a bulwark against the possibility that “all the resources of taxation might by degrees become the subjects of federal monopoly, to the entire exclusion and destruction of state governments,”[11] and found it in a federal deduction for state and local taxes.

While 80.55 percent of people in the $100,000-$499,999 income bracket currently itemize, claiming 6.55 percent of SALT deductions as a percentage of adjusted gross income, so do 45.63 percent of people in the $50,0000-99,999 range (claiming 3.95 percent in SALT deductions as a percentage of AGI), and 19.77 percent of those in the $25,000-49,999 range (with a 2.1 SALT deduction as a percentage of AGI).

And as the Weekly Standard said yesterday:

Every state enjoys the SALT deduction. Some less than others. While it inarguably skews towards benefitting people who live in wealthy, high-tax states (mostly blue ones), it’s not just a tax break for the wealthy, as the Tax Foundation illustrates.

And as Matt LaBash further points out:

But sure, red staters, gloat in the fact that, say, Alaska, South Dakota, and Wyoming represent only 0.1 percent apiece of a state share of SALT deductions. As opposed to say, coastal blue states like California, New York, or New Jersey (19.6 percent, 13.3 percent, and 5.9 percent, respectively.) Good on you. Except that you also, if you’re being honest, have to calculate that state taxes present a complex multi-faceted picture. (When it comes to federal revenue, all of the sudden, conservative congresspersons are no longer pro-states’ rights.)

For instance, seven states pay no state income tax at all, five of seven of which went red in the last presidential election. And when Wallethub, a personal finance site, calculated which states were most dependent on federal funds, a contrarian picture emerges. The top five federally dependent states were Kentucky, Mississippi, New Mexico, Alabama, and West Virginia. Four out of five of which went for Trump. The five least dependent states? All SALT-deduction lovers who pay more than their fair share of federal taxes: California, Illinois, New Jersey, Minnesota, and Delaware. Five of five of which went blue in the last election.

Hate to break the news to you, Trump-loving Alabamans, but even the SALT-deducting hedge-fund manager in Greenwich isn’t the welfare queen that you are. Connecticut = the 42nd most-dependent state on federal finances. Alabama = the fourth most-dependent state. When calculating federal tax revenue by state, six out of the top ten payers are blue states. So despite Republicans’ haste to punish coastal blue states, who suffer higher costs of living/state taxes, and therefore benefit disproportionately from taking SALT deductions, exactly who is subsidizing who is a very open question.

there is no rational argument to be made that I should have to pay more in federal taxes on the same amount of income then you do.

Oh, so the people who claim all sorts of deductions now, from student loans, to mortgage interest, to medical expenses, to money they had to shell out to repair their homes if they were victims of natural disaster, to business expenses, and on an on and on....you don't want any of that?

Well, sorry, but that is a reality. Deductions will always be part of the tax code. And I bet you have taken one or two in your lifetime. You don't see me trying shame you and say "AHA! You took a Child Tax Credit! Why should I have to subsidize you and your child!?"

The reality here is that the GOP "plan" is screw over some American in order to pacify their furious donors, K Street Lobbyists, and give a big gift to corporations (yeah, like Apple, Google, Facebook - ones like those).

Of course, SALT-deducters aren’t the only ones getting screwed. Read the tax-plan analysis roundups, such as this or this, and it’s pretty clear that homebuilders, plenty of small-business owners, charities, people who adopt children, teachers expensing their classroom supplies, disaster-victims, and rare-disease sufferers are getting hosed, too. And that’s to name but a few sufferers under the Republican plan for “tax relief.” But at least we can all agree on the winners: corporate giants like Apple. Of the top five richest companies in America—Apple, Alphabet (Google’s parent company), Microsoft, Berkshire Hathaway, and Amazon—their most recent effective tax rates are 25.8 percent, 19.35 percent, 17.64 percent, 19.35 percent, and 27.45 percent, all well below the current 35 percent statutory rate. And this is without the House Republican bill. Yet while the top individual tax rate remains at 39.6 percent, even as Apple and co’s. rate will be dropped to 20 percent while they keep most of their deductions, unlike you and me, the sky is the limit on how far they can go.

The average middle class taxpayer in CA, CT, NY, NJ, MD, or MA? They can pound sand and pay thousands and thousands of dollars more to "pay for" the huge cut for corporations.

[SkyPilot]

Republicans were stupid to nominate a female in NJ

Republicans lately are stupid, period.

[SkyPilot]

Murphy has said will make NJ a sanctuary. state, and increase taxes.

Don't forget more "gun control." NJ already has some of the most tyrannical gun laws in the nation. Say what you will about Chris Christie, but he voted attempts to make them even worse.

I remember back in the heady days after Trump was elected, and we realized we also had the Senate and the House. Remember when there was talk of passing a National Reciprocity law?

Well, yeah, right. Ryan and McConnell put an end to that dream, didn't they?

[rrrod]

Look to mid to north Florida....booming there

[Blue Jays]

"...National Reciprocity..."

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[JoSixChip]

Your still just trying to justify saying I should have to pay more in federal tax then you do because you are somehow entitled. Just because you and your fellow fools can’t balance a checkbook, that does not somehow make me obligated to pay your way. You ether live with irresponsible fools, or you don’t. It’s your choice. Maybe get out there and do something to change your situation rather then whine because you are there. My choice would ba a flat tax, that way you will not be able to weasel your way out of paying your share.

[Rumplemeyer]

ADP was founded and run by the Wilf Family, Lautenberg was a salesman and became wealthy because of the stock ownership plan.

[midnightcat]

well, i would be voting today against Murphy, but my father passed away yesterday and I am not at home....I don’t think I can vote outside of my county. At least my father is at peace.