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Can a Divided America Survive?
Townhall.com ^ | June 15, 2017 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 06/15/2017 1:25:41 AM PDT by Kaslin

The United States is currently the world's oldest democracy.

But America is no more immune from collapse than were some of history's most stable and impressive consensual governments. Fifth-century Athens, Republican Rome, Renaissance Florence and Venice, and many of the elected governments of early 20th-century Western European states eventually destroyed themselves, went bankrupt or were overrun by invaders.

The United States is dividing as rarely before. Half the country, mostly liberal America, is concentrated in 146 of the nation's more than 3,000 counties -- in an area that collectively represents less than 10 percent of the U.S. land mass. The other half, the conservative Red states of the interior of America, is geographically, culturally, economically, politically and socially at odds with Blue-state America, which resides mostly on the two coasts.

The two Americas watch different news. They read very different books, listen to different music and watch different television shows. Increasingly, they now live lives according to two widely different traditions.

Barack Obama was elected president after compiling the most left-wing voting record in the U.S. Senate. His antidote, Donald Trump, was elected largely on the premise that traditional Republicans were hardly conservative.

Red America and Blue America are spiraling into divisions approaching those of 1860, or of the nihilistic hippie/straight divide of 1968.

Currently, some 27 percent of all Californians were not born in the United States. More than 40 million foreign-born immigrants currently reside in the U.S. -- the highest number in the nation's history.

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1 posted on 06/15/2017 1:25:41 AM PDT by Kaslin
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2 posted on 06/15/2017 1:27:08 AM PDT by Kaslin (The harder the conflict, the mWe must definitelyore glorious the triump. Thomas Paine)
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To: Kaslin

<>Either the United States will return to a shared single language and allegiance to a common and singular culture, or it will eventually descend into clannish violence.<>

All according to the democrat plan. Just keep voting.


3 posted on 06/15/2017 1:37:17 AM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: Kaslin

Historically, given time - all the great empires have fallen. We in these “United” States are not immune. It becomes clear that human kind devolves from being generally happy to a very vocal minority wanting to control the majority. Eventually, they resort to fascism and violence, which is on our doorstep. I have no doubt about the direction Texas will go,...nor do I doubt what direction California will go, with everything else in between.


4 posted on 06/15/2017 1:49:19 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Kaslin

Struggle for LIFE..... in a divided America and in a divided WORLD !

Only God/Christ SAVES and can REALLY unite people ....No other ways


5 posted on 06/15/2017 1:50:53 AM PDT by Ulysse
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To: Kaslin

I no longer believe this country will survive this intact.


6 posted on 06/15/2017 2:04:28 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema
I no longer believe this country will survive this intact.

Unfortunately, neither do I. I wish it were different, but I am not confident. Now, how long will it take? Who knows, but I see the hand writing on the wall. 😩

7 posted on 06/15/2017 2:14:45 AM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: Mark17
I was hopeful for calexit for just this reason - as the lesser evil.

it is time to split this country and someone needs to step up and begin it before we descend into civil war.

8 posted on 06/15/2017 2:18:37 AM PDT by MarMema
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To: Kaslin

The urchins that populate the urban centers in this country have no effin clue what awaits them when the people in the hinterland finally begin to retaliate in earnest. Any disruption to the infrastructure that supports the dindu nuffin gibsmedats will reverberate to the leftists immediate detriment very bigly, indeed. The food will stop, the lights will go out, the water won’t run. The cities will descend into chaos with brutal savagery on short order. It will be a circular firing squad shooting gallery in the get-toe unlike any seen before in history.

I can’t wait to watch it happen.


9 posted on 06/15/2017 2:22:57 AM PDT by DrPretorius
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To: Kaslin

Call me unknowing or stupid if one desires because I believe America is going to survive. I’m old now and as I look back at our founding to present day, I see an America made up of a majority who do love America. Yes, there is going to be people desiring America be destroyed. It has always been but each time America and American we’re up to the task and we survived. Difficult times lay just ahead for our children and grandchildren. I do not intend to burden my children and grandchildren with negitivity. I will teach and preach that America is the greatest nation on the face of Earth. It is never easy to keep what so many others hate but keep America we shall. America is strong. If you are an American then you are always prepared to never give up the ship because America and Americans are of all the past and present warning the world ... Remember me??? Yep my boot is poised to kick your ... Well anyways ... be an American and do not surrender.


10 posted on 06/15/2017 2:38:28 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (If America Cared would a moslem cair?)
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To: Kaslin
Either the United States will return to a shared single language and allegiance to a common and singular culture, or it will eventually descend into clannish violence

What he really means is white, a return to white Western culture and people. The people and culture this nation was founded on and thrived on. But not only have we been allowing massive amounts of third worlders into the country for decades, we have also largely drank the 'race doesn't matter' Kool-Aid. You can't get there from here.

11 posted on 06/15/2017 2:43:47 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: broken_arrow1
Here is what I see happening: early on, the people in a republic are united in their efforts to overcome adversity (harsh environment, lack of food, low living standards). Since they are all working together, they eventually succeed in creating a better place for everyone to live in. Their descendants, however, have never seen true hardship and take the high living standards they have lived in for granted. Having nothing to work for in the way of improving their society, they turn against their society. They imagine that they can destroy the society that they hate while maintaining the luxuries that the society provides.

I'm sure that every society in the past that destroyed itself had its share of citizens who saw what was happening and tried to work against the destruction. But the ignorant masses ignored them.

12 posted on 06/15/2017 2:44:19 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Kaslin
The United States is currently the world's oldest democracy.

Republic.

13 posted on 06/15/2017 3:18:50 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Islam: You have to just love a "religion" based on rape and sex slavery.)
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To: Mark17
Hanson's suggestion that 'Americans need to take a deep breath, step back and rein in their anger -- and find more ways to connect rather than divide themselves' sounds good on the surface but does not address the deepest, darkest, most divisive and irreconcilable problems separating blue from red.

For example, the blue side is primarily godless and pagan materialist and mystical pantheist. It seeks a godless City of Man that can only ascend on the ashes of the traditionalist side's ''One Nation Under God' where all people are created by God the Father thus are persons endowed with God-given rights, rather than evolved aspects of the divine energy field as the other side contends. America's Constitution is a great spiritual doctrine premised upon creation ex nihilo, the only source for the personhood being stripped from people and given to gorillas, rivers, and other aspects of nature by the other side.

One side is offended by and hates the Biblical conception of the living, personal Holy Triune God. This hatred is extended to our Constitutional Republic and to all people who uphold and defend it. In this light, it appears that calls for agreement between these two sides will only lead to where it always ends---with further compromise by traditionalists.

14 posted on 06/15/2017 3:20:51 AM PDT by spirited irish
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To: Kaslin
All Americans need to take a deep breath, step back and rein in their anger -- and find more ways to connect rather than divide themselves.

They should assume their opponents are not all sinners, and that their supporters are not all saints.

I see an implication here that both sides are a little bit wrong and both sides are a little bit right.

I have a hard time with such a notion. While I don't see Republicans are perfect (don't get me started ...) the division in the country right now is 100% on the Democrats. They will not accept the Will of the People, they want to overturn an election, they are calling for violence, they are carrying out violence, they are lying and subverting justice.

This really is not a situation where BOTH sides need to adjust their behavior. The situation is really very one-sided.

15 posted on 06/15/2017 3:25:47 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Islam: You have to just love a "religion" based on rape and sex slavery.)
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To: Kaslin

“The United States is currently the world’s oldest democracy.”

This guy is a historian?

A brainwashed America will not survive and you’re furthering that cause, victor. (moron neverTrumper)

America is not divided. Americans are for Trump. Anti-Americans, like vicky here, are/were for Hillary.

Will the demoncrats submit to sterilization and deportation willingly is the 64,000 dollar question.


16 posted on 06/15/2017 3:26:40 AM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Obama voters killed America. Treat them accordingly.)
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To: DrPretorius

I don’t subscribe to the “darkest before the dawn” theory.
Cities across the country have already deteriorated beyond recognition - have city dwellers come to any realizations about why?


17 posted on 06/15/2017 3:28:46 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: ClearCase_guy

You’re right. Both sides are mot wrong. The violence and hatred are 100% from the left. Even GOPs who spoke yesterday implied that both sides are at fault. We’ll never fix things until the truth is spoken first.


18 posted on 06/15/2017 3:30:43 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam ("Negative people make healthy people sick." - Roger Ailes)
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To: Jacquerie

Yea language. Sorry buddy Spanish has been spoken here since 1513 and will be spoken here until the second coming.


19 posted on 06/15/2017 3:51:38 AM PDT by The Cuban (again Freaking French illegal immigrabta,)
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To: ClearCase_guy; spirited irish
This really is not a situation where BOTH sides need to adjust their behavior. The situation is really very one-sided.

My opinion is, the leftists will never compromise, so where will it take us?

20 posted on 06/15/2017 3:51:47 AM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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