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Are We Nearing Civil War?
Townhall.com ^ | June 13, 2017 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 06/13/2017 7:18:29 AM PDT by Kaslin

President Trump may be chief of state, head of government and commander in chief, but his administration is shot through with disloyalists plotting to bring him down.

We are approaching something of a civil war where the capital city seeks the overthrow of the sovereign and its own restoration.

Thus far, it is a nonviolent struggle, though street clashes between pro- and anti-Trump forces are increasingly marked by fistfights and brawls. Police are having difficulty keeping people apart. A few have been arrested carrying concealed weapons.

That the objective of this city is to bring Trump down via a deep state-media coup is no secret. Few deny it.

Last week, fired Director of the FBI James Comey, a successor to J. Edgar Hoover, admitted under oath that he used a cutout to leak to The New York Times an Oval Office conversation with the president.

Goal: have the Times story trigger the appointment of a special prosecutor to bring down the president.

Comey wanted a special prosecutor to target Trump, despite his knowledge, from his own FBI investigation, that Trump was innocent of the pervasive charge that he colluded with the Kremlin in the hacking of the DNC.

Comey's deceit was designed to enlist the police powers of the state to bring down his president. And it worked. For the special counsel named, with broad powers to pursue Trump, is Comey's friend and predecessor at the FBI, Robert Mueller.

As Newt Gingrich said Sunday: "Look at who Mueller's starting to hire. ... (T)hese are people that ... look to me like they're ... setting up to go after Trump ... including people, by the way, who have been reprimanded for hiding from the defense information into major cases. ...

"This is going to be a witch hunt."

Another example. According to Daily Kos, Trump planned a swift lifting of sanctions on Russia after inauguration and a summit meeting with Vladimir Putin to prevent a second Cold War.

The State Department was tasked with working out the details.

Instead, says Daniel Fried, the coordinator for sanctions policy, he received "panicky" calls of "Please, my God, can you stop this?"

Operatives at State, disloyal to the president and hostile to the Russia policy on which he had been elected, collaborated with elements in Congress to sabotage any detente. They succeeded.

"It would have been a win-win for Moscow," said Tom Malinowski of State, who boasted last week of his role in blocking a rapprochement with Russia. State employees sabotaged one of the principal policies for which Americans had voted, and they substituted their own.

Not in memory have there been so many leaks to injure a president from within his own government, and not just political leaks, but leaks of confidential, classified and secret documents. The leaks are coming out of the supposedly secure investigative and intelligence agencies of the U.S. government. The media, the beneficiaries of these leaks, are giving cover to those breaking the law. The real criminal "collusion" in Washington is between Big Media and the deep state, colluding to destroy a president they detest and to sink the policies they oppose.

Yet another example is the unfolding "unmasking" scandal.

While all the evidence is not yet in, it appears an abnormal number of conversations between Trump associates and Russians were intercepted by U.S. intelligence agencies.

On orders higher up, the conversations were transcribed, and, contrary to law, the names of Trump associates unmasked.

Then those transcripts, with names revealed, were spread to all 16 agencies of the intel community at the direction of Susan Rice, and with the possible knowledge of Barack Obama, assuring some would be leaked after Trump became president.

The leak of Gen. Michael Flynn's conversation with the Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, after Obama imposed sanctions on Russia for the hacking of the DNC, may have been a product of the unmasking operation. The media hit on Flynn cost him the National Security Council post.

Trump has had many accomplishments since his election. Yet his enemies in the media and their deep state allies have often made a purgatory of his presidency.

What he and his White House need to understand is that this is not going to end, that this is a fight to the finish, that his enemies will not relent until they see him impeached or resigning in disgrace.

To prevail, Trump will have to campaign across this country and wage guerrilla war in this capital, using the legal and political weapons at his disposal to ferret out the enemies within his own government.

Not only is this battle essential, if Trump hopes to realize his agenda, it is winnable. For the people sense that the Beltway elites are cynically engaged in preserving their own privileges, positions and power.

If the president cannot rewrite Obamacare or achieve tax reform, he should not go around the country in 2018 wailing about Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer. They are not the real adversaries. They are but interchangeable parts.

He should campaign against the real enemies of America First by promising to purge the deep state and flog its media collaborators.

Time to burn down the Bastille.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: comeyhearings; coup; cwii; cwiiping; deepstate; fbi; investigation; jamescomey; patbuchanan; presidenttrumpadmin; russia; shtf; trumprussia
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To: Jamestown1630
Opps..
Faux Pas !

abstinence should be obstanance !

141 posted on 06/13/2017 6:04:25 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: central_va

I predict that if it happens, it will be state-based, urban/rural and start in California or the Pacific NW. There are a lot of folks there that have had it with leftist state governments that are in power due only to big city progressive base. Could happen in Texas with Austin, inner-city Dallas, Houston.


142 posted on 06/13/2017 6:16:26 PM PDT by yetidog
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

I take your point, but this is one of the most ridiculous threads I’ve seen on FR.

I live in one of the most liberal counties in the country - and a majority Black county.

Nobody here seems terribly concerned about all of this stuff. Even the mindlessly flaming libs that I know and work with, aren’t paying attention. They just want to live their personal lives as they’ve always done. Their political spoutings are mindless talking-points that they’ve picked up, and are just in aid of their need for ‘self esteem’. None of them have convictions powerful enough to cause them to risk anything.

You’d have to really rally, to get people to take up arms - and, against WHAT? Political machinations that most of them don’t understand or to which they don’t even pay any attention?

Nutty thread.


143 posted on 06/13/2017 6:36:23 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 (qu)
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To: central_va

Well, I’ll tell you, there is a huge difference in mindset in rural Upstate NY than the cities, especially NYC.

I KNOW there are militias in my area.

I talked to one member once and still have the card he gave me. I have my suspicions about a neighbor of ours down the street who is very vocal in speaking out against the SAFE Act.


144 posted on 06/13/2017 6:57:42 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Eaker; Jack Black; archy; DuncanWaring; Travis McGee; Absolutely Nobama; afnamvet; AK2KX; ...

About the CWII Ping List

The CWII Ping List is short for Civil War II. It is NOT a list of people advocating another Civil War in America. It is a list of people who are interested in the parallels between the Civil War (or War Between the States, if you prefer) and our current situation, or more generally are noting the references to a 'coming Civil War' that are made in the press.

Of course sometimes this is merely a figure of speech, such as "The Tea Parties are fighting a civil war for the heart of the GOP". This would not merit a CWII ping.

On the other hand someone saying something like "The events in California are reminiscent of what happened in Yugoslavia in the period proceeding the Civil War" would merit a ping.

FR rules do not permit advocating for the overthrow of the Republic, and I am not aware of anyone doing so on the list. Still many do see that as the political climate worsens we may be heading in a direction that makes such a conflict all but inevitable, particularly if other avenues for resolving our differences are taken away. Such as widespread vote fraud by leftists making elections meaningless, or a small cadre of judges over-ruling all attempts to end destructive policies over the clear will of the people.

The correct keyword tag for the Civil War II ping list is "CWII".

Please Freep Mail me to get on the list

145 posted on 06/13/2017 7:55:22 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Kaslin
"What he and his White House need to understand is that this is not going to end"

UNTIL TRUMP DRAINS THE DAM SWAMP! Why do we have a demmanazi special counsel? Why is hillary still walking free? Where did that Deputy AG come from, leftover? If Trump doesn't get a wartime consigliere, he might as well go home. I think he needs Newt, or maybe some unknown from NYC that plays for keeps. But hey, he's got Rience.....

146 posted on 06/13/2017 9:44:43 PM PDT by matthew fuller (The first amendment does NOT legalize the right to riot.)
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To: central_va

“I live in the middle of VA if FedGov collapses just who am I supposed to start shooting at?”


Figure it out.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3560737/posts


147 posted on 06/14/2017 6:27:03 AM PDT by Roccus (When you talk to a politician...ANY politician...always say, "Remember Ceausescu")
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To: Roccus

Ok if I am playing baseball with congressmen I will remember to bring a pistol for self protection.


148 posted on 06/14/2017 6:28:46 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: DungeonMaster
Civil War?

Last time, Fort Sumter. This time, a baseball field?


149 posted on 06/14/2017 7:25:10 AM PDT by newgeezer (It is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed. --Thomas Jefferson, 1824)
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To: Jagdgewehr
We are in one...just no one is shooting yet.

The shooting has started

150 posted on 06/14/2017 7:29:03 AM PDT by clamper1797 (We are getting close to the last "box")
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To: Jagdgewehr
We are in one...just no one is shooting yet.

You are wrong as of this morning!!!

Rep. Mark Walker says gunman targeted congressional baseball practice 'to kill as many Republican members as possible'


151 posted on 06/14/2017 7:48:34 AM PDT by Cheerio (#44, The unknown President)
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To: central_va

Well.

This moved beyond theoretical kind of quickly didn’t it.


152 posted on 06/14/2017 9:00:46 AM PDT by redgolum
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To: Cheerio; clamper1797
The shooting has started

You are wrong as of this morning!!!

I stand corrected.

153 posted on 06/14/2017 9:22:04 AM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood.)
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To: central_va
I live in the middle of VA if FedGov collapses just who am I supposed to start shooting at?

You mean you don't already have your enemies list?!

154 posted on 06/14/2017 1:53:31 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: alancarp

Who the heck are you. Western States negotiable???????????????? Give away the northern tier????????????? Not exactly what I would call equitable.

Deplorable idea!!!!!!!!!

How about this: The left can fight for what they want, and if they win, go with God. If not, screw em. They won’t win a single state.


155 posted on 06/16/2017 7:25:03 AM PDT by wita (Always and forever, under oath in defense of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.)
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