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Rep. Ryan Zinke Resigns as Delegate to RNC
AP ^ | 7/15/2016 | AP

Posted on 07/16/2016 6:19:32 PM PDT by usafa92

Edited on 07/16/2016 6:31:40 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

A Montana lawmaker has resigned as a delegate to the Republican National Convention over the GOP's position on the transfer of federal lands to states.

Republican U.S. Rep. Ryan Zinke told The (Billings) Gazette that he still plans to give a speech Monday to the convention about national security. But he says he's withdrawing as a delegate because the GOP platform is "more divisive than uniting."


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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Montana
KEYWORDS: 114th; 2016rncconvention; convention; federalland; land; nevermind; selegate; statesrights; trump; zinke
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Found this snippet in the AP newswire on ABC News, so apologize for the improv title. I believe Zinke is a former SEAL, but what a moron. Platform is calling for the return of Federal lands to the states which all representatives should be in favor of, but for some reason Zinke thinks this is divisive. He is still apparently speaking as scheduled. I understand Montana has a ton of land under Federal conteol but what is up with this? I must be missing something.
1 posted on 07/16/2016 6:19:32 PM PDT by usafa92
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To: usafa92

Sellagate may/may not be the newly coined word. I’d copyright that typo if I were you.


2 posted on 07/16/2016 6:21:13 PM PDT by BipolarBob (I'm not racist but I do profile.)
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To: usafa92

Good, it should all go back to the states. Start reducing fedgov everywhere.


3 posted on 07/16/2016 6:22:19 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: BipolarBob

Hahah. I already asked the mods to correct. But i like that. A sellagate. Fits with today’s political cukture.


4 posted on 07/16/2016 6:22:56 PM PDT by usafa92 (Trump 2016 - Destroying the GOPe while Making America Great Again)
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To: usafa92

The feds have far too much power over land use and access which the state should have to a great extent. Let this RINO go...we have enough socialists to deal with.


5 posted on 07/16/2016 6:23:10 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: usafa92

“more divisive than uniting” = not liberal/progressive


6 posted on 07/16/2016 6:23:22 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: usafa92

Zinke is a dumbass.

He proudly voted for Ryan for Speaker.


7 posted on 07/16/2016 6:24:52 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: usafa92

State lands now belong to the State.
If the State doesn’t want it, sell it.
Or give it back the Indians, or to “the people”.
If they don’t want it, give it to me, I’ll take it.


8 posted on 07/16/2016 6:27:26 PM PDT by Macoozie ("Estoy votando por Ted 2016!" bumper stickers available)
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To: usafa92; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Impy; SevenofNine; Cletus.D.Yokel; Rummyfan; Liberty Valance; ...
One of the provisions of Texas entering the Union in 1845 was that the Lone Star State kept all its public lands. The Feds had to buy land from Texas when we because a state--

Gadzooks, back then... We knew how to deal with the DC Crowd

9 posted on 07/16/2016 6:28:46 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: usafa92

He should resign as a Rep. as he clearly is unfamiliar with the Constitution which he is sworn to uphold.


10 posted on 07/16/2016 6:31:22 PM PDT by Radix (Natural Born Citizens have Citizen parents)
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To: Secret Agent Man

“Good, it should all go back to the states. Start reducing fedgov everywhere”

Agree. It’s that old cliché at work again about an “inch, and they take a mile’. The Constitution defines the areas of responsibilities between the Federal Government, and the States, but that means nothing to a Democrat with an agenda. Over the years with stacked courts, and majority Congressional influence the Left, the Democrats have incrementally screwed up the works to their favor.

All in the name of BIG GOVERNMENT.


11 posted on 07/16/2016 6:32:29 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists Call 'em what you will, they all have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: usafa92

Doesn’t sound good but maybe there is some ‘rich cronies’ deal involved.
Would like to hear from a Montanan.


12 posted on 07/16/2016 6:34:58 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: blueunicorn6
Zinke is a dumbass. He proudly voted for Ryan for Speaker.

Proudly endorsed Trump early on as well. Alone in that among the chickenshit Montana delegation.

13 posted on 07/16/2016 6:35:17 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: usafa92
I think Trump's idea is that if states want to have it....he'll make it happen. A few folks think that state ownership is worse than Feds....cuz no telling what they will do.

And so, it all comes down to a "deal".

14 posted on 07/16/2016 6:35:30 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: usafa92

“This has been a major issue in Montana’s House race. Zinke says he supports better management but not transfer to the states.”

Then no matter what he may or may not have done in the service of his country, he needs to be primaried and sent home!


15 posted on 07/16/2016 6:36:21 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: usafa92

Coward.


16 posted on 07/16/2016 6:37:31 PM PDT by CincyRichieRich (Who is John Galt? ...Also and more importantly, Isaiah 59: 4, 6, 9, 15, 16.)
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To: Fightin Whitey

By delegation I mean those who represent Montana in D.C.

I am not sure how Trump’s support stands among the RNC Convention delegation, although I would guess it is quite strong.


17 posted on 07/16/2016 6:37:36 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: usafa92

I believe Utah has a a lawsuit against the federal government demanding the federal land be turned over to the state.


18 posted on 07/16/2016 6:40:28 PM PDT by grcuster
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To: usafa92

Take a look! Feds “own” 29% of Montana.

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42346.pdf

The issue is that when the Western States “joined the Union,” the Feds raped each of them. Nevada is 84% Federal land, and California is around 50%. Zinke is FOS, most of this land needs to be returned to the states, and the states need to see that anything that they don’t have a direct need for, is sold to the citizens. One thing that it would do is help reduce our debt. The other thing it would do is put the Bureau of Land Management on the chopping block. The Feds use this “ownership” to Eff with people like Cliven Bundy.


19 posted on 07/16/2016 6:44:17 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: Fightin Whitey

Ryan told me we all have to stick together and do what he tells us.

“I vote for the next Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan!”

The man has all the intellectual acumen of a sea cucumber.


20 posted on 07/16/2016 6:45:03 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: mrsmith

Zinke is all right though he is squishy on some of the hot-button issues.

But these days the lone Republican congressperson has to be.

Montana is, like California first and Colorado now, being overrun by rich, pampered, clueless outsiders who only want to COEXIST by turning the state into the kind of bureaucratic craphole they fled from in the first place.

We’re not a Red State anymore, what with enviros, unions, kumbaya types and Leftist trust-funders. Ryan walks a fine line, pissing me off as often as not, but in his case I can truly say he beats the alternative.


21 posted on 07/16/2016 6:46:36 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Secret Agent Man
Good, it should all go back to the states.

No problem with the concept but most of these western lands never belonged to a state so there's nothing to give back.

Should the federal government gift the lands to the state, and if so how should the taxpayers who have always owned the lands feel about that?

22 posted on 07/16/2016 6:48:41 PM PDT by semimojo
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To: BenLurkin

“more divisive than uniting” = not liberal/progressive

It is simple code for “I do not agree with this policy”


23 posted on 07/16/2016 6:50:48 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: usafa92

Giving public lands back is DOA and most people won’t support. This is stupid inclusion in the platform.


24 posted on 07/16/2016 6:54:07 PM PDT by Reno89519 (It is very simple, Trump/Pence or Clinton/(Lyn' Ted, Bush, Pocahontas...).)
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To: blueunicorn6
Well Said! And Like The Sea Cumber He Should SELF EVISCERATE!!
Thereby doing the USA a great
25 posted on 07/16/2016 6:55:33 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: usafa92

Trump has stated BETTER management, not transfer. Which I agree 100%. I absolutely love the accessible public lands and no No Trespassing signs.


26 posted on 07/16/2016 6:56:14 PM PDT by Reno89519 (It is very simple, Trump/Pence or Clinton/(Lyn' Ted, Bush, Pocahontas...).)
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To: semimojo

That land shold have reverted to states as soon as they were created. Feel no problem giving it to the states.


27 posted on 07/16/2016 6:56:29 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: blueunicorn6

Well, he thinks he’s a hell of a lot more clever than he actually is.

And he is a helluva lot more ambitious than he is smart or capable.

Still I think he is probably reading the federal lands issue correctly: if he supports the sale of some lands to the state (as I do) the lyin’ Left will bury him in November.

We’re already knee-deep in the foul horse-—t from the campaign against Gianforte, as you have probably seen or heard.

Montana Democrats are more like their cruel, ruthless, dishonest national ilk every year.

p.s. You are right about Zinke though. He offers stupid rationales to his constituents ‘cause he usually thinks they are too stupid to see through his dodge.


28 posted on 07/16/2016 6:58:09 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: vette6387

These lands were NEVER state lands. NEver. And no reason to transfer our national heritage to sates or private users. People can hero-worship Bundy’s and all but and transfer is DOA. Will never happen. People should get over it and stop wasting time with such a lame issue. Especially mucking with the party platform on an issue that most Americans will disagree with.


29 posted on 07/16/2016 7:00:04 PM PDT by Reno89519 (It is very simple, Trump/Pence or Clinton/(Lyn' Ted, Bush, Pocahontas...).)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Go Trump. This is happening folks. clinton is in a tail spin to earth with no parachute. People are uniting and they are PISSED!!


30 posted on 07/16/2016 7:00:28 PM PDT by WENDLE (We must have LAW AND ORDER!!)
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To: grcuster

I believe Utah has a a lawsuit against the federal government demanding the federal land be turned over to the state.

-—————————————————————————————U I would imagine that Utah would especially want the Escalante staircase back which Clintoon seized from them. It is rich in clean-burning coal.


31 posted on 07/16/2016 7:03:10 PM PDT by angry elephant (Endangered species in Seattle)
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To: usafa92

I do not know what lands are being discussed here, but the guy in question is from Montana of which the vast majority was a part of the Louisiana Purchase. I own such land, my ancestors homesteaded it.

This land NEVER BELONGED TO THE STATES IN THE FIRST PLACE.

The Louisiana Purchase lands never belonged to any state in the first place because no states existed on those lands before the federal government bought the land from France.

Such lands were surveyed according to the PLLS system and were opened to homesteading. Territories were organized then subdivided into states that requested entry into the union.

Any lands never homesteaded were retained by the federal government.

This notion of giving lands back to the states is really a very ignorant position. Giving it back to the Indians makes sense, giving it back to the French or Spanish makes sense (a poor idea though), but giving it back to the Feds is just plane dumb. This applies only to lands either bought or seized by the feds before such lands were states.

BTW, I agree with the idea that all lands within a states border should belong to the state, with exception of military bases and a few government offices. Even federal parks and refuges would be better managed by states.


32 posted on 07/16/2016 7:04:48 PM PDT by redfreedom
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To: vette6387
...no matter what he may or may not have done in the service of his country, he needs to be primaried and sent home!

No kidding!!! He's a fool to think the elites in Washington or the out of control regulatory agencies can do a better job of taking care of their state lands than their elected officials. He's lost all credibility with this stunt...

33 posted on 07/16/2016 7:05:49 PM PDT by demkicker (My passion for freedom is stronger than that of Democrats whose obsession is to enslave me.)
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To: Reno89519

“These lands were NEVER state lands. NEver. And no reason to transfer our national heritage to sates or private users.”

So how do the original 13 states get away with sub 1% Federally owned lands? You’re dealing in sematics, when each state was brought into the Union, the price was giving the Feds substantial lands within the new state’s border. And I disagree with you wholeheartedly. These are only “national heritage lands” in your eyes. BTW, my wife was born in Fallon and grew up in LV. She saw first hand, as a child how the Feds effed with the farmers in the Fallon area.


34 posted on 07/16/2016 7:07:56 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: usafa92

His beef is (according to a statement at his web site) that there is no restrictions on the state after the sale. The state doesn’t have to keep the land public.

https://zinke.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/zinke-does-it-again-bucks-party-leaders-and-votes-no-transferring


35 posted on 07/16/2016 7:10:32 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: Sacajaweau

“A few folks think that state ownership is worse than Feds....cuz no telling what they will do”.

How about signing on to a Plan to make 50% of the land designated Core Area Wildlands with little to NO human use?

http://www.agenda21course.com/lesson-3-wildlands-project/


36 posted on 07/16/2016 7:11:05 PM PDT by Captain7seas (UNexit. Make America Great Again!)
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To: semimojo

“No problem with the concept but most of these western lands never belonged to a state so there’s nothing to give back.”

HORSECRAP! The lands that the Feds “took” when a state joined the union, were lands that lay within the borders of that state. We are The United STATES!. States are supposed to be superior to the Federal Government! The feds have a whole buraucracy to “manage” all this land and they use their agencies to F-ck with the people who are trying to eke out a living farming and raising livestock on most of it.


37 posted on 07/16/2016 7:12:32 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: usafa92

Mental illness


38 posted on 07/16/2016 7:14:59 PM PDT by map
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To: redfreedom

The same was true of the Northwest Territories (Ohio, Illinois, etc.) but the land was returned to them nonetheless.


39 posted on 07/16/2016 7:15:35 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: Fightin Whitey

Makes sense, thanks.


40 posted on 07/16/2016 7:16:05 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: usafa92
There are a lot of these nimrods who think they can have the best of both worlds: federal ownership with free or nominal grazing rights. Apparently, they learned nothing from the Bundy ranch roundup in Nevada and the killing of a supporter in Oregon.
41 posted on 07/16/2016 7:16:34 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (ObaMao: Fake America, Fake Messiah, Fake Black man. How many fakes can you fit into one Zer0?)
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To: Reno89519

I live in a state which is around 80% fed owned. IT TOTALLY SUCKS.


42 posted on 07/16/2016 7:19:41 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: Bender2; usafa92; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Impy; SevenofNine; Cletus.D.Yokel; Rummyfan; ...
the Lone Star State kept all its public lands. The Feds had to buy land from Texas when we because a state--

Gadzooks, you mean the feds had to actually COMPLY WITH THE CONSTITUTION???

[Congress shall have the power] to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings Art I, Sct 8, Cl 17.

43 posted on 07/16/2016 7:23:49 PM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: usafa92

He’s withdrawing as a delegate but he’s going to give a speech.

This man is mentally ill.


44 posted on 07/16/2016 7:30:59 PM PDT by map
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To: Sacajaweau

. A few folks think that state ownership is worse than Feds....cuz no telling what they will do.


Someone is going to control the land. the questions is who, fed, state, local, or private. None are perfect.


45 posted on 07/16/2016 7:44:25 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: usafa92; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; campaignPete R-CT; AuH2ORepublican; Clintonfatigued; randita; ...

Odd of Zinke to raise a stink about a parochial issue like this. We don’t need anything negative going on right now.


46 posted on 07/16/2016 7:47:36 PM PDT by Impy (Never Shillery)
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To: Impy

dink zinke is favovred but in a targeted seat.

he looking for an excuse to mouth off about somethin


47 posted on 07/16/2016 7:56:57 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (moving out of CT in a few years)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Everyone is scared that McDonald’s will be all over the national sites like the rest of the world. It is weird going to red square and seeing American business’s all around it.


48 posted on 07/16/2016 7:57:17 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Trump/Hunter, jr for President/Vice President 2016)
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To: usafa92
The left is busy demagoguing this issue to death already. Facebook is aflame with viral memes saying that the Republicans want to abandon the National Parks etc.

I think it might have helped to be a bit more specific about what is contemplated, although someone like Zinke surely understands that the Rs are not (generally) talking about the National Parks, but especially about the vast amounts of land under the Bureau of Land Management, which is generally the less attractive and much less visited tracts of land... and which was ALWAYS intended to be managed for resource extraction. Hell, the National "FOREST" system (not the Nat'l Parks) was also always intended to allow logging and mining, but over time the left tries to re-define all federal land as untouchable for any productive purpose.

Most Americans have no idea that in a large number of western states close to HALF or more of all land is under federal control:


49 posted on 07/16/2016 8:07:51 PM PDT by Enchante (Hillary's new campaign slogan: "Guilty as hell, free as a bird!! Laws are for peasants!")
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To: Bender2

Are you aware the feds are poised to commandeer 90,000 acres of TX land along the Red River mostly in private hands and give it to OK? Greg Abbott has reportedly said over my dead body but they will likely try it anyway.


50 posted on 07/16/2016 8:45:58 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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