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Donald Trump on education: Wrong, wrong and wrong
Washington Post ^ | May 8, 2016 | Valerie Strauss

Posted on 05/08/2016 12:37:51 PM PDT by Innovative

Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, doesn’t talk all that much about education issues, but when he does, it is usually about the Common Core, rankings and spending. And usually he is wrong, wrong and wrong.

In one Trump ad this year, he hit all three in just a few sentences:

“I’m a tremendous believer in education. But education has to be at a local level. We cannot have the bureaucrats in Washington telling you how to manage your child’s education. So Common Core is a total disaster. We can’t let it continue. We are rated 28th in the world, the United States. Think of it, 28th in the world. And, frankly, we spend far more per pupil than any other country in the world. By far. It’s not even a close second.”

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WP thinks Trump is wrong, I, and I am sure many others think he is absolutely right -- he is against Common Core.
1 posted on 05/08/2016 12:37:51 PM PDT by Innovative
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To: Innovative

Screw off, Valerie, you child hater.


2 posted on 05/08/2016 12:42:03 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Innovative

Trump is right. Defend the constitution! Get the tyrannical Marxist/fascist feds out of education!


3 posted on 05/08/2016 12:42:04 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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To: Innovative

When I was taught, it


4 posted on 05/08/2016 12:42:23 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Innovative

If WP thinks Trump is wrong, then I know that Trump is right!


5 posted on 05/08/2016 12:42:26 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Innovative
Valerie is mean as a snake.


6 posted on 05/08/2016 12:44:14 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Jim Robinson

When I was taught, it was at a locally elected. The teachers knew every kid and their parents. The parents knew the teacher and his background it had flaws but it worked.

We were taught to think.


7 posted on 05/08/2016 12:45:35 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Talisker

I’ve seen her kind too often for my liking.


8 posted on 05/08/2016 12:46:09 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: stanne

At a local level


9 posted on 05/08/2016 12:46:53 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Jim Robinson

As a retired (34+ years) public school educator, I say Mr. Trump is SPOT ON!


10 posted on 05/08/2016 12:49:41 PM PDT by Right-wing Librarian
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To: Innovative

Valerie, you ignorant slut...


11 posted on 05/08/2016 12:50:32 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Right-wing Librarian

Good bye Common Core


12 posted on 05/08/2016 12:50:56 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (GOPe/MSM - "When we want your opinion, we will give it to youGo to trumps websites look at issues an)
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To: MUDDOG

Me, too! Too many liberal women with an agenda, obnoxious, arrogant, and committed to Common Core. I was so happy to retire!


13 posted on 05/08/2016 12:52:09 PM PDT by Right-wing Librarian
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To: Innovative
I have No idea who the Valerie person is, but she is not just wrong, wrong, wrong about COMMIE CORE and Mr. Trump, but she is DAMNED DEAD WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, COULDN'T BE MORE WRONG ABOUT ALL OF THIS, IS SHE TRIED !

Unlike Valerie, I know ALL ABOUT COMMIE CORE, have seen the lessons plans, ALL OF THE EXAMPLE, FOR EVERY GRADE, for several years and understand exactly WHY every single thing about COMMIE CORE harms children and STINKS ON ICE!

14 posted on 05/08/2016 12:52:22 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Innovative
I actually read her screech...

Her argument that Trump is wrong is rather weak and pathetic...

Her resources she uses to back up her claim that Trump is wrong actually backs up what Trump is saying...

As much as we spend on education we should be ranked top five minimum across the board in every segment...

15 posted on 05/08/2016 12:53:41 PM PDT by Popman (Christ alone: My Cornerstone...)
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To: Innovative

Imho, if the president’s cabinet consists of the War dept, the State dept and the Commerce dept, we would spend less, and the private sector would earn more.

Also abolish the Fed minimum wage, income taxes never exceed 10%, I could go on and on...

Enough bloviating.

5.56mm


16 posted on 05/08/2016 12:54:53 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Jim Robinson

Common Core is dead because department of education will be 3 people and an old underwood typewriter. Get to a real job. valerie. We are actually going to teach little know history — like WWII and VietNam and Korea.


17 posted on 05/08/2016 12:58:34 PM PDT by WENDLE (Hillary committed crimes!! Why the delay?)
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To: Innovative

Shouldn’t that be Common Corpse.


18 posted on 05/08/2016 12:58:49 PM PDT by euram
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To: nopardons

If Common Core and our educational systems were so great, why are we importing people to fill jobs here in the USA? Because our workers aren’t smart and trained enough.


19 posted on 05/08/2016 12:59:32 PM PDT by Kozy
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To: Innovative

Never build house in trees.


20 posted on 05/08/2016 12:59:32 PM PDT by WENDLE (Hillary committed crimes!! Why the delay?)
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To: Innovative

When public education is as screwed up as it is today, I don’t know how any ditz working for the WaPo can say any changes to it are “wrong, wrong, wrong”. The public “schools” in America are a disgraceful joke. They should be ashamed of themselves for asking the taxpayers for money all of the time.


21 posted on 05/08/2016 1:00:59 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (It's time to TRUMP the race card in America so we can all get along again.)
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To: Popman

“The most recent PISA results available, from 2012, show the United States ranked 17th out of 34 countries and school systems in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development in reading, 27th in math and 20th in science. Not the top, but not the bottom.”

This is what Common Corpse thinking does: mediocrity becomes acceptable and even excellent.


22 posted on 05/08/2016 1:03:42 PM PDT by Rennes Templar (President Trump: It's all over but the counting)
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Revoke, deport, repeat.
23 posted on 05/08/2016 1:05:38 PM PDT by BiggerTigger
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To: Innovative

Donald Trump on education: Right, right and right


24 posted on 05/08/2016 1:07:46 PM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: Jim Robinson

The decline in worldwide standing in education can, in part, be attributed the massive influx of immigrants.


25 posted on 05/08/2016 1:08:44 PM PDT by monocle
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To: Talisker

You hardly ever see liberals smile. Well that makes sense since they spend all their time inflicting pain and horror on everyone with all of their bad policies.


26 posted on 05/08/2016 1:10:56 PM PDT by dowcaet
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To: MUDDOG

Funny how she has a “Heidi” look to her.


27 posted on 05/08/2016 1:16:06 PM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Innovative

Allow me to translate into non-verminese: I am a liberal hired by liberals to attack Trump using education as a weapon. As everyone else in my newsroom is doing. ‘Blah, blah, blah. Trump is wrong, bad, dangerous, other.’


28 posted on 05/08/2016 1:18:07 PM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: Innovative
The Washington Post ( owned by Jeff Bezos ) DISAGREES with Trump on EVERYTHING... EVERYTHING!
29 posted on 05/08/2016 1:18:41 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: Innovative

She is ignorant. The education system is by the Constitution allocated to the STATES. The Feds are not supposed to have any say in education. Another case where the Constitution has been ignored so that big government could take control of the minds of our young. Trump will end the dept of “Education’ and send the responsibility back to the states where it belongs.


30 posted on 05/08/2016 1:20:05 PM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Innovative

Trump is right, education belongs on the State level and Common Core is a socialistic scam...


31 posted on 05/08/2016 1:20:14 PM PDT by HarleyLady27 ('THE FORCE AWAKENS!!!' Trump; Trump; Trump; Trump; 100%)
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To: euram

“Shouldn’t that be Common Corpse.”

We need a Coupe D’etat!


32 posted on 05/08/2016 1:20:32 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra (Don't touch that thing Don't let anybody touch that thing!I'm a Doctor and I won't touch that thing!)
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To: Kozy
It's far worse than that!

Even though the private schools aren't required to use COMMIE CORE, the SATs and ACTs use it and so the MOST expensive and ELITE school have to sort of teach it/teach it for College Entrance type exams.

And since there is now talk about how robots are going to be doing everything, even building and fixing themselves, people are going to be obsolete. Worse, with the dumbing down of Americans, many won't even mind about that.

33 posted on 05/08/2016 1:36:10 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Innovative
So the Washington Compost thinks Trump is wrong about something? That sort of flak must mean he's RIGHT OVER THE TARGET!
 photo GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS_zpscwfwdqsc.jpg

This is a crisis we'd better get a handle on before it's too late -- if it isn't already!


34 posted on 05/08/2016 1:36:11 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (This entire "administration" has been a series of Reischstag Fires. We know how that turned out!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

We have just that, with PRESIDENT TRUMP ! :-)


35 posted on 05/08/2016 1:36:40 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Innovative

Having the state provide education at any level is a mistake. The higher the level the worse the outcome. Common core is the worst of the worst of a bad idea.


36 posted on 05/08/2016 1:38:35 PM PDT by Nateman (If liberals are not screaming you are doing it wrong!)
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To: nopardons

Maybe I should have written it as Coupe’ D’etat. Bammy speak!


37 posted on 05/08/2016 1:39:51 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra (Don't touch that thing Don't let anybody touch that thing!I'm a Doctor and I won't touch that thing!)
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To: Innovative

Washington Post columnist/baglady.

38 posted on 05/08/2016 1:40:40 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Innovative

It’s the parents that are wrong.

In the suburbs where there are “intact” and involved parents the results are still pretty good.

But when the parents are absent and babies themselves, there is no way their kids are going to do well in school.


39 posted on 05/08/2016 1:40:55 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Ask Bernie supporters two questions: Who is rich. Who decides. In the past, that meant who died.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

LOL....perhaps. ;^)


40 posted on 05/08/2016 1:41:58 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Innovative; All
The low-information Washington Post unsurprisingly doesn’t seem to understand that federal government involvement in INTRAstate education is not a matter of opinion.

More specifically, the states have never delegated to the feds, expressly via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate, tax and spend for intrastate education purposes.

Noet that Thomas Jefferson had indicated that the states would need to appropriately amend the Constitution in order for the feds to tax and spend for intrastate educational purposes.

“The great mass of the articles on which impost is paid is foreign luxuries, purchased by those only who are rich enough to afford themselves the use of them. Their patriotism would certainly prefer its continuance and application to the great purposes of the public education, roads, rivers, canals, and such other objects of public improvement as it may be thought proper to add to the constitutional enumeration of federal powers [emphasis added].” —Thomas Jefferson: 6th Annual Message, 1806.

In fact, a previous generation of state sovereignty-respecting justices had clarified in broad language that Congress is prohibited from appropriating taxes in the name of state poweer issues, essentially any issue that Conress cannot justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers, intrastate schooling in this example not one of those powers.

“Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

So Trump is right about intrastate education.

Remember in November !

When patriots elect Trump they also need to elect a new, state sovereignty-respecting Congress that will work within its Section 8-limited powers to support the new president, including putting a stop to unconstitutional federal taxes and likewise unconstitutional federal interference in state affairs, intrastate education in this example.

Also consider that such a Congress would probably be willing to fire state sovereignty-ignoring activist justices.

41 posted on 05/08/2016 1:44:08 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Vermont Lt

Just about the ONLY recourse that most parents have. is to teach stuff at home, correcting what the schools have done to their kiddos. Sadly, most parents have abnegated their roles, though.


42 posted on 05/08/2016 1:44:24 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: monocle

GET A CLUE!!! In the late 1800’s and early 1900’s the United States was inundated with literally millions of immigrants. The already “in place” education system of the U.S.A. educated a young immigrant population to the point those “foreign” kids grew up as AMERICANS, sought and won public office, dominated the professions, lead science, became the people who fought and won TWO World Wars. They also found the cures for disease, and ways to correct physical injuries.
Common Core’s “graduates” can barely find their home state on a map of the world. The marvelous American education was born with the country and lasted only until the ultra liberals took control and destroyed it.


43 posted on 05/08/2016 1:45:53 PM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf (New York Times: "We print the news as it fits our views.")
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To: Innovative

28th? I thought it was 130th


44 posted on 05/08/2016 1:46:48 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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With the internet, it should be dead simple to improve on basic educational levels. But I suspect the fault is not all with teachers and curriculum. If a large number of students come to school only to hang out, or play sports, and this is never challenged at home or anywhere else, then they probably won’t learn much even if teachers are top quality. You can’t force anyone to concentrate. But if students are promoted to higher grades without proving that they have learned material at their present level, you have no way of determining until after the fact that the system is broken.

I suspect that American education is not really below the standard in other countries, as much as motivation of students falls short. When parents are very concerned about what their kids learn, and stay active in the process into middle years of high school at least, then usually there is no problem unless the kid has a severe learning disability.

It’s an observable fact that kids are usually about as well educated as their parents, by the time they graduate from high school. Then they might achieve different sorts of competence depending on what they choose to do, but they will still resemble their parents generally speaking in both motivation to learn and succeed.

Of course, I realize that education has shifted too far left and abandoned fact-based learning in favor of touchy feely crap and bogus “climate change awareness” sorts of diversions. That can be changed through funding. The time to develop feelings is weekends and holidays.


45 posted on 05/08/2016 1:47:09 PM PDT by Peter ODonnell (I've crossed the Rubicon -- God speed Donald Trump (just remember these are two different persons))
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To: sten

It was but 102 countries fell apart and ceased to exist despite all their brainy children.


46 posted on 05/08/2016 1:49:00 PM PDT by Peter ODonnell (I've crossed the Rubicon -- God speed Donald Trump (just remember these are two different persons))
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To: monocle
The decline in worldwide standing in education can, in part, be attributed the massive influx of immigrants.

Depends on where they come from. Every South American and Asian student I've had has been great. Central American... not so much.

47 posted on 05/08/2016 2:20:22 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: Talisker

48 posted on 05/08/2016 2:22:08 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Snickering Hound

49 posted on 05/08/2016 2:23:49 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Innovative

If parents are shelling out good money to a private school, they expect quality.
If they are sending their kids to a public school, they are accepting welfare, and the product is as good as government cheese.
Such parents can say what they will about “their” neighborhood schools being superior, or about how their taxes are paying for the product, but if they’re sending their children to government schools they do not care about the quality.
They don’t obtain food from food banks because they’re choosy about what goes in their stomachs. They don’t live in public housing because they care about the quality of their neighbors. They’ll take an extra income somewhere to buy a car or get a mortgage because a better car and a better house are important, and what they sacrifice first is the children’s education.
Can’t do private school, the mortgage comes first. Can’t homeschool, we need two incomes. Go to public school. We don’t know who’s teaching you what, and we don’t care. Get going.


50 posted on 05/08/2016 2:25:34 PM PDT by Buttons12 ( It Can't Happen Here -- Sinclair Lewis.)
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