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Donald Trump on education: Wrong, wrong and wrong
Washington Post ^ | May 8, 2016 | Valerie Strauss

Posted on 05/08/2016 12:37:51 PM PDT by Innovative

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The low-information Washington Post unsurprisingly doesn’t seem to understand that federal government involvement in INTRAstate education is not a matter of opinion.

More specifically, the states have never delegated to the feds, expressly via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate, tax and spend for intrastate education purposes.

Noet that Thomas Jefferson had indicated that the states would need to appropriately amend the Constitution in order for the feds to tax and spend for intrastate educational purposes.

“The great mass of the articles on which impost is paid is foreign luxuries, purchased by those only who are rich enough to afford themselves the use of them. Their patriotism would certainly prefer its continuance and application to the great purposes of the public education, roads, rivers, canals, and such other objects of public improvement as it may be thought proper to add to the constitutional enumeration of federal powers [emphasis added].” —Thomas Jefferson: 6th Annual Message, 1806.

In fact, a previous generation of state sovereignty-respecting justices had clarified in broad language that Congress is prohibited from appropriating taxes in the name of state poweer issues, essentially any issue that Conress cannot justify under its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers, intrastate schooling in this example not one of those powers.

“Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

So Trump is right about intrastate education.

Remember in November !

When patriots elect Trump they also need to elect a new, state sovereignty-respecting Congress that will work within its Section 8-limited powers to support the new president, including putting a stop to unconstitutional federal taxes and likewise unconstitutional federal interference in state affairs, intrastate education in this example.

Also consider that such a Congress would probably be willing to fire state sovereignty-ignoring activist justices.

41 posted on 05/08/2016 1:44:08 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Vermont Lt

Just about the ONLY recourse that most parents have. is to teach stuff at home, correcting what the schools have done to their kiddos. Sadly, most parents have abnegated their roles, though.


42 posted on 05/08/2016 1:44:24 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: monocle

GET A CLUE!!! In the late 1800’s and early 1900’s the United States was inundated with literally millions of immigrants. The already “in place” education system of the U.S.A. educated a young immigrant population to the point those “foreign” kids grew up as AMERICANS, sought and won public office, dominated the professions, lead science, became the people who fought and won TWO World Wars. They also found the cures for disease, and ways to correct physical injuries.
Common Core’s “graduates” can barely find their home state on a map of the world. The marvelous American education was born with the country and lasted only until the ultra liberals took control and destroyed it.


43 posted on 05/08/2016 1:45:53 PM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf (New York Times: "We print the news as it fits our views.")
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To: Innovative

28th? I thought it was 130th


44 posted on 05/08/2016 1:46:48 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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With the internet, it should be dead simple to improve on basic educational levels. But I suspect the fault is not all with teachers and curriculum. If a large number of students come to school only to hang out, or play sports, and this is never challenged at home or anywhere else, then they probably won’t learn much even if teachers are top quality. You can’t force anyone to concentrate. But if students are promoted to higher grades without proving that they have learned material at their present level, you have no way of determining until after the fact that the system is broken.

I suspect that American education is not really below the standard in other countries, as much as motivation of students falls short. When parents are very concerned about what their kids learn, and stay active in the process into middle years of high school at least, then usually there is no problem unless the kid has a severe learning disability.

It’s an observable fact that kids are usually about as well educated as their parents, by the time they graduate from high school. Then they might achieve different sorts of competence depending on what they choose to do, but they will still resemble their parents generally speaking in both motivation to learn and succeed.

Of course, I realize that education has shifted too far left and abandoned fact-based learning in favor of touchy feely crap and bogus “climate change awareness” sorts of diversions. That can be changed through funding. The time to develop feelings is weekends and holidays.


45 posted on 05/08/2016 1:47:09 PM PDT by Peter ODonnell (I've crossed the Rubicon -- God speed Donald Trump (just remember these are two different persons))
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To: sten

It was but 102 countries fell apart and ceased to exist despite all their brainy children.


46 posted on 05/08/2016 1:49:00 PM PDT by Peter ODonnell (I've crossed the Rubicon -- God speed Donald Trump (just remember these are two different persons))
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To: monocle
The decline in worldwide standing in education can, in part, be attributed the massive influx of immigrants.

Depends on where they come from. Every South American and Asian student I've had has been great. Central American... not so much.

47 posted on 05/08/2016 2:20:22 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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48 posted on 05/08/2016 2:22:08 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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49 posted on 05/08/2016 2:23:49 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Innovative

If parents are shelling out good money to a private school, they expect quality.
If they are sending their kids to a public school, they are accepting welfare, and the product is as good as government cheese.
Such parents can say what they will about “their” neighborhood schools being superior, or about how their taxes are paying for the product, but if they’re sending their children to government schools they do not care about the quality.
They don’t obtain food from food banks because they’re choosy about what goes in their stomachs. They don’t live in public housing because they care about the quality of their neighbors. They’ll take an extra income somewhere to buy a car or get a mortgage because a better car and a better house are important, and what they sacrifice first is the children’s education.
Can’t do private school, the mortgage comes first. Can’t homeschool, we need two incomes. Go to public school. We don’t know who’s teaching you what, and we don’t care. Get going.


50 posted on 05/08/2016 2:25:34 PM PDT by Buttons12 ( It Can't Happen Here -- Sinclair Lewis.)
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To: Peter ODonnell
If a large number of students come to school only to hang out, or play sports, and this is never challenged at home or anywhere else, then they probably won’t learn much even if teachers are top quality. You can’t force anyone to concentrate. But if students are promoted to higher grades without proving that they have learned material at their present level, you have no way of determining until after the fact that the system is broken.

100% correct. I've been teaching in L.A. for 12 years now, and the kids are just way too comfy. They come strolling in late, hooked to iPods and iPhones, games at their disposal night and day, and want to sit down in English class, listen to music, and pull out the fast food they bought on their leisurely way to school. I swear, their parents must give them $100 a week just for spending on junk food. And every single day I make them put it all away and take out their notebook, they act surprised. I've been doing this relentlessly since August, but every time, they look at me so startled, like, "Miss, AGAIN?? How many times you gonna do this?!" I can't figure it out. Who the hell is raising these bovinely obtuse young louts?

51 posted on 05/08/2016 2:25:50 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: Innovative

The Globalists want to globalize school curriculum to be issued by the UN (as was common core created by globalists).

It’s not to make kids smart...it is to dumb down the population so we can be equal dummy little serfs to believe in such nonsense as globalist warming.

Globalism is seriously dangerous and it has made tremendous strides over the past 30 years or so. We have to turn it back. It is lead to enslavement and abuse.


52 posted on 05/08/2016 2:55:03 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...
No wonder Jeb "Common Core" Bush won't endorse Donald Trump.

53 posted on 05/08/2016 3:07:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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The parents knew the teacher and his background it had flaws but it worked.

School Consolidation ended that. The excuse was the consolidated schools could offer better equipment, but the internet and telecommunication has made a joke out of that premise. Just putting schools back in neighborhoods would eliminate busing and that alone would cut our "Carbon Footprint {:~)" immeasurably.

What technology can't do is provide 6,000 kids to pick a football team from.

54 posted on 05/08/2016 3:13:16 PM PDT by itsahoot (Trump is a fumble mouthed blowhard that can't finish a sentence, but he will finish a term.)
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To: Innovative

“But education has to be at a local level. We cannot have the bureaucrats in Washington telling you how to manage your child’s education. So Common Core is a total disaster. We can’t let it continue.”

Right...right, right!


55 posted on 05/08/2016 3:22:20 PM PDT by Angels27
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To: Innovative

Valerie, your an elitist. Most of us took our kids out of Public School because we did not want Washington Elitist’s like you dictaing what our children saw and read and heard and were indoctrinated about sitting in a classroom.

I wonder if you truly “don’t get it” or you truly “do, and are just peeing on our leg and calling it rain?”

In any event, as you can see from the primaries, all the Republican liberal candidates, who did their best to lie about their liberalism, got punked by the electorate. More to come.


56 posted on 05/08/2016 3:56:18 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid)
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To: Innovative

Valerie is terribly wrong, but its WaPo, so I’m not surprised.


57 posted on 05/08/2016 3:58:21 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: Innovative

Education should be completely irrelevant in Federal elections. As it is, Trump is right.


58 posted on 05/08/2016 3:58:32 PM PDT by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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To: Buttons12
Such parents can say what they will about “their” neighborhood schools being superior, or about how their taxes are paying for the product, but if they’re sending their children to government schools they do not care about the quality.

Absolute crap. Most parent don't have the money to send their kids to private school, especially since they are already paying for education through taxes. To say they don't care about the quality of their kids education is smug and elitist. To say that people should forgo buying a house to send their kids to private schools is crap. I'm old enough to remember when public schools did a good job, but hey were controlled by local school boards. We need to get the feds out of education and let local schools be run locally. Your condescending attitude towards the majority of Americans who send their kids to public schools is a great example of why the meme "conservative only care about the rich" never dies.

59 posted on 05/08/2016 4:07:14 PM PDT by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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To: Vermont Lt
Translation:

Tons of “after-schooling” done by the parents. Also known as, “homeschooling” after school. That and tons of expensive tutoring.

So....Parents and the kids themselves do all the work and the suburban school takes all the credit. Then when kids do poorly its the parent's fault for not homeschooling after a full day of school. This is win win for the government school defenders and Lose lose for the parents and kids who do all the work and get none of the credit.

Fundamentally,....If government schools actually taught anything they would WORK regardless of the parenting: Good, Bad, or Ugly!

60 posted on 05/08/2016 4:09:20 PM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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