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A Note to Conservatives Who Are Secular
Townhall.com ^ | April 5, 2016 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 04/05/2016 7:51:13 AM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 04/05/2016 7:51:13 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

If there is no God, everything is permitted.

Fyodor Dostoevsky


2 posted on 04/05/2016 7:54:09 AM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: Kaslin

The fallacy in this piece is that morality requires religion.


3 posted on 04/05/2016 7:54:33 AM PDT by CapitalistCrusader
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To: Kaslin

Both of you. [drumroll] [cymbal]


4 posted on 04/05/2016 7:55:49 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Kaslin

Some food for thought from Dennis Prager.

I guess what he’s saying is, will we still have any semblance of conservative values/family values in our culture, if we abandon relgion?

Will conservative policies such as certain tax cuts, downsizing government, empowering parents with school choice, among others, succeed, if the people involved do not live their lives within a faith tradition?

I don’t have answers, but this article is food for thought.


5 posted on 04/05/2016 7:55:51 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Kaslin; newgeezer

Prov 9:10
“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom,
And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.


6 posted on 04/05/2016 7:57:49 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.)
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To: Kaslin

I’m not the most religious person by any stretch of the imagination. But I do know the consequences of abandoning our Judeo-Christian heritage. Something will move in to fill the void, and it won’t be the Secular Humanists.


7 posted on 04/05/2016 7:58:06 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Kaslin

Good ol’ 60’s liberal Dennis Prager.

His idea of “leading conservative writers, columnists and thinkers” is the likes of George Will, Charles Krauthammer and publications like National Review, City Journal, Commentary Magazine and the Wall Street Journal.

Which is not a surprise, because neoconservatives are liberals at heart, and Mondale’s 1984 speechwriter Charles Krauthammer is a kindred spirit.


8 posted on 04/05/2016 8:16:41 AM PDT by Pelham (A refusal to deport is defacto amnesty)
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To: Pelham

Can I ask you to recommend a better set of modern “leading conservative writers, columnists and thinkers”?


9 posted on 04/05/2016 8:21:45 AM PDT by untenured
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To: Kaslin
As Eric Hoffer points out, people who are frustrated are prone to joining mass movements. He also points out that those who are prone to joining mass movements tend to join only one at a time. (I call this the Hoffer Exclusion Principle.) The two largest mass movements in America are The Left and Organized Christianity. Thus, those in America who are prone to joining mass movements will tend to be involved with one of these, but not both. Prager seems to understand this Exclusion Principle, but not the emboldened part.

As a corollary, one way to "cure" someone from being involved in a particular mass movement is to substitute another one, which is what Prager is suggesting as a cure for Leftism. But Hoffer also points out there is danger in simply substituting one mass movement for another. It's like fighting a fire by throwing on a different kind of gasoline.

There is another way: Eliminate the feelings of frustration that drive people to mass movements. Philosophers, economists and others have been trying to solve this puzzle for millenia. There are two kinds of solutions: 1) Empowering individuals by establishing the right conditions (e.g, liberty and capitalism) and 2) helping people improve their own minds so that their response to their conditions does not create unwarranted frustration (e.g., philosphy and unorganized religion).

The conservative pundits that Prager is curiously criticizing are persuing this other way, which could be called Enlightenment—in both the classical European and Eastern senses.

10 posted on 04/05/2016 8:37:27 AM PDT by snarkpup (I want a government small enough that my main concern in life doesn't need to be who's running it.)
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To: CapitalistCrusader

“The fallacy in this piece is that morality requires religion.”

God, not religion.

Leftism is a religion.


11 posted on 04/05/2016 8:40:43 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: dfwgator

You are right, and the author is right. Individually, faith is certainly a personal matter, but even secular people (especially conservatives) must recognize that without religion, the state is God.


12 posted on 04/05/2016 8:42:30 AM PDT by The Continental Op
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To: ifinnegan
OK, I'll double down.

Morality does not require belief in God.

13 posted on 04/05/2016 8:44:35 AM PDT by CapitalistCrusader
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To: snarkpup

So you are anti-God?


14 posted on 04/05/2016 8:45:21 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: CapitalistCrusader

Then what is “Morality” based on?

“Be Excellent to Each Other”, like in Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure?


15 posted on 04/05/2016 8:45:39 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ifinnegan
So you are anti-God?

I am anti-mass movements created in His name.

16 posted on 04/05/2016 8:49:03 AM PDT by snarkpup (I want a government small enough that my main concern in life doesn't need to be who's running it.)
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To: CapitalistCrusader

“Morality does not require belief in God.”

Untenable.

This is mainstream establishment dogma. But it makes no sense, is oxymoronic and self-negating.


17 posted on 04/05/2016 8:49:16 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: ifinnegan

The Nazis had their own “Morality Code.”


18 posted on 04/05/2016 8:49:43 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: snarkpup

“I am anti-mass movements created in His name.”

What does that mean?


19 posted on 04/05/2016 8:50:36 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: RitchieAprile

If there is no God, everything is permitted.

Fyodor Dostoevsky


Yep. You get it.


20 posted on 04/05/2016 8:51:26 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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