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My Sarah Palin Romance
New York Times ^ | JAN. 20, 2016 | Ross Douthat

Posted on 01/21/2016 6:51:19 AM PST by detective

As a political journalist, you never forget the first time you stop just covering a politician and start identifying with her. The first time you wed your high-minded vision of what politics should be to a real candidate's perishable breath.

My first time arrived in 2008. It lasted only a short while. Her name was Sarah Palin.

Let me explain. That spring, in between the Republican primary and the fall campaign, my friend Reihan Salam and I had published a book called "Grand New Party: How Republicans Can Win the Working Class and Save the American Dream."

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: palin; sarahpalin; trump
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This is a weird almost incoherent article from the NYT. It shows the MSM types have gone from being simply wrong to being confused.

They seem to be less certain and more delusional.

1 posted on 01/21/2016 6:51:19 AM PST by detective
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To: detective

This is a weird almost incoherent article from the NYT. It shows the MSM types have gone from being simply wrong to being confused.
They seem to be less certain and more delusional.


No more or less delusional than the average anti-Palin post in FR lately.


2 posted on 01/21/2016 6:54:09 AM PST by samtheman (Elect Trump, Build Wall. End Censorship.)
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To: detective

Except that it isn’t what we called for, because we wanted a populism with substance — one that actually offered policy solutions to stagnant wages and rising health care costs, one that could help Republicans reach out to upwardly mobile blacks and Hispanics as well as whites, and so on down an optimistic wish list.

Whereas Trump-era populism, while it plays very effectively on economic anxiety, mostly offers braggadocio rather than solutions, and white identity politics rather than any kind of one-nation conservatism.


3 posted on 01/21/2016 6:57:22 AM PST by libbylu (Trump's supporters have the same brain disease as Hillary's supporters)
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To: detective

As a long time admirer and defender I was totally shocked by how totally irritating her voice was. Heard it for the first time for that 15 seconds I listened to her. Yeah I never knew she was more populist than conservative, makes perfect sense now that she is for the low info bully.
I am for the inorganic rock of conservatism. I know realize trumpees are populists, some who thought they were conservative but are not, which is fine.
I am for conservative values, not personality.


4 posted on 01/21/2016 7:04:37 AM PST by libbylu (Trump's supporters have the same brain disease as Hillary's supporters)
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To: libbylu; don-o
I know I´m in there minority here: Ross Douthat´s right. He was right to enthusiastically endorse her in 2008, right to defend her sturdily from the EneMedia wolves, right to see her, at the time, as the hope of principled, substantive conservative policy (though she turned out not to be).

Like Douthat, my husband and I voted for the McCain-Palin ticket mainly because we wished we could reverse the order of the names.

She was more qualified than Obama, by far; but that´s because Obama was utterly, completely, 100% UN-qualified and she could beat his best simply by being a half-term governor ("It´s kind of like being a community organizer, except it has actual responsibilities." -- best sentence ever spoken in a political campaign).

But she was in over her head. If she had (as in our dreams) been elected and then called in by some McCain mishap to be President-fo-sho, she would have been, like Obama, an intern-President, a trainee-President, except of course without the malevolence.

She makes a horrible reality star, a Caribou Kardashian. She´d make great Governor --- or Senator--- for Alaska. I wish she´d go back to that and pick up some cred.

I do wish her well. Her and all her kin.

5 posted on 01/21/2016 7:04:58 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (I'm not denyin' the women are foolish. God Almighty made 'em to match the men.)
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To: libbylu

“Except that” LEAD in the water to the extent being talked about in Flint “sounds” a whole lot like “ORIGINAL” global warming or “climate change” arguments!


6 posted on 01/21/2016 7:06:44 AM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid)
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To: detective

Sarah Palin = Sellout. She went from Anti-Crony Capitalist Crusader to Crony Capitalist Enabler in less time than it takes Donald Trump to line a corrupt politicians pocket.


7 posted on 01/21/2016 7:12:17 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: samtheman; detective
No more or less delusional than the average anti-Palin post in FR lately.

Yea, how dare we notice, and criticize, that Sarah Palin went from a staunch defender of tea-party conservatism to supporting a Man(Donald Trump) who doesn't have a clue about what the Tea-Party is all about over a man who embodies the Tea-Party (Ted Cruz).

Delusional my arse. Take a look in the mirror my FRiend, we're not the ones that are delusional.
8 posted on 01/21/2016 7:17:56 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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I am not going to argue back. Jim Robinson asks that we not get in fights with each other.

I said what I believe and I stand by it. Note that I was not addressing you personally or directly and I will not do that now.

I support Sarah Palins decision to endorse Trump for President. I support Trump for President.

I am saddened by all the lies told about Trump.

Here's a good video analyzing the dynamic of those lies:

The Untruth About Donald Trump

9 posted on 01/21/2016 7:20:28 AM PST by samtheman (Elect Trump, Build Wall. End Censorship.)
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I am not going to argue back. Jim Robinson asks that we not get in fights with each other.

Then don't post derogatory posts about other FReepers or your concern rings hollow!
10 posted on 01/21/2016 7:22:05 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: libbylu

your misunderstanding is total

the solutions will be hashed out with the Congress. the structural outlines are adequate for the present

conservative puritanism is being shown to be a losing proposition not welcomed by the mass of voters that will prevail


11 posted on 01/21/2016 7:24:40 AM PST by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....carson is the kinder gentler trump.)
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To: libbylu
As a long time admirer and defender I was totally shocked by how totally irritating her voice was.

Would you be posting that if Sarah had instead endorsed Cruz and given her "shrill" stump speech on his behalf instead?

I applaud Sarah for having the courage to publicly choose a side. She was bound to come under fire no matter how she chose. Then again, she could have sat on her hands on the sideline.

12 posted on 01/21/2016 7:25:01 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Mrs. Don-o
“Ross Douthat's right. He was right to enthusiastically endorse her in 2008”

From the article:

“Palin gave interviews - terrible, terrible interviews. She was in over her head. Her own paranoia took center stage. She became her critics' caricature, embracing a mix of willful ignorance and proud ressentiment.”

First, “ressentiment” isn't a word. But beyond that the author says he was originally attracted to Sarah Palin but then wised up after watching her “terrible interviews”, her “paranoia” and her “willful ignorance”.

He is saying he sees how people would be attracted to Palin but those who do just aren't smart enough to see through her act and realize how bad she is.

He then attacks Trump. He says he understands the appeal of populism but that Trump is not a real populist like the author. He then throws in some weird and incoherent rambling about Putinism and other topics.

13 posted on 01/21/2016 7:29:40 AM PST by detective
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Interesting that there might be different brands of "populism" just as there are different brands of "conservatism."

Many have noted here over the years of the shameful way Sarah was treated by not only the media, but also by McCain and his people.

It was clear to me from the get-go back in 08 that she was struggling with a lot of things that were out of her wheelhouse. Yet, I trusted her core, and I still do.

My worry is in her allying with a man who has pragmatism at his core. I'll go ahead and repeat this

Pragmatism as a philosophy was developed and popularized at the end of the last century by philosopher William James, along with such other noted intellectuals as John Dewey and George Santayana. It was James who gave the new philosophy its name and shape. In 1907, he published a collection of lectures entitled Pragmatism: A New Name for Some Old Ways of Thinking, and thus defined a whole new approach to truth and life.

Pragmatism has roots in Darwinism and secular humanism. It is inherently relativistic, rejecting the notion of absolute right and wrong, good and evil, truth and error. Pragmatism ultimately defines truth as that which is useful, meaningful, helpful. Ideas that don't seem workable or relevant are rejected as false.

14 posted on 01/21/2016 7:34:29 AM PST by don-o
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To: GodGunsGuts
Give it up, your bitterness will destroy you.

Your description of what she did is a typical one from Cruz worshipers the last two days.

Shame on you, your poster name should switch to GogGunsGuts until you change that darkness you've allowed to invade you.

15 posted on 01/21/2016 7:36:05 AM PST by Lakeshark
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To: don-o

In short, Pragmatism = Ends Justifying Means. The old Marxist/Socialist canard.


16 posted on 01/21/2016 7:36:41 AM PST by TADSLOS (Trump has sizzle, but Cruz is the real deal. - Jim Robinson 01/11/16)
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To: detective
res.sen.ti.ment

noun
noun: ressentiment

a psychological state arising from suppressed feelings of envy and hatred that cannot be acted upon, frequently resulting in some form of self-abasement.

17 posted on 01/21/2016 7:37:54 AM PST by don-o
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To: GodGunsGuts
Sarah Palin = Sellout. She went from Anti-Crony Capitalist Crusader to Crony Capitalist Enabler in less time than it takes Donald Trump to line a corrupt politicians pocket.

No doubt. Is there anyone who really doesn't believe that he bought her? He's bought politicians all of his life. It's what he does.

18 posted on 01/21/2016 7:38:29 AM PST by kjam22 (America needs forgiveness from God..... even if Donald Trump doesn't)
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I still maintain Trump should not have saught Palins endorsement. Palin is bad news for any GOP candidate. She isnloathed by much of the nation and the antics of her family on help embed in peoples minds she is trouble....she was out news, which was good for the GOP race. No we cant stop hearing about her.

People just do not like her. The more she is out of the news, the better for the GOP


19 posted on 01/21/2016 7:38:54 AM PST by Angels27
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To: Lakeshark
Shame on you, your poster name should switch to GogGunsGuts until you change that darkness you've allowed to invade you.

That is a blatant personal attack which violates the posting rule AND Jim's request of yesterday.

Pleas stop.

20 posted on 01/21/2016 7:40:19 AM PST by don-o
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