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Poll: Trump leads, but when it comes to second choice, Cruz is on top
msnbc.com ^ | 01/07/16 | Josh Clinton, John Lapinski, Marc Trussler and Sam Petulla

Posted on 01/17/2016 7:12:04 PM PST by kik5150

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To: kik5150
Don't believe it, at least not those I've met at political events!

They'll lean toward another Christian candidate or plan to stay home.

Carson supporters, for the most part, are non-political, so they don't understand politics but they are true believers, not understanding those on "our side" being subjected to unbelieveable demeaning attacks!

21 posted on 01/17/2016 7:48:31 PM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: lewislynn

Poll: Trump leads, but when it comes to second choice, Cruz is on top


Well, it does sound good until you think about it............


22 posted on 01/17/2016 7:51:06 PM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: conservative98
The point is, when candidates drop out, their supporters still vote for someone. That leaves 46% up for grabs when the race is between Cruz and Trump. This visual will help:


23 posted on 01/17/2016 7:51:21 PM PST by kik5150 (Cruz argued 9 times before Supreme Court judges. Trump argues with beauty pageant judges.)
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To: entropy12
Straw man poll. There is no 2 man primary until well past May 2016.

Agreed, but regardless, it is a 2 man race right now.
If Cruz drops out, Trump wins.
If Trump drops out, Cruz wins. (Cruz gets most Trump voters).
If a single other candidate drops out, it does not change the race.
Cruz beats Trump only when the majority of also-rans drop out.
24 posted on 01/17/2016 7:51:21 PM PST by kik5150 (Cruz argued 9 times before Supreme Court judges. Trump argues with beauty pageant judges.)
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To: Red Steel
Those Carson supporters will NOT support Trump, who feels comfortable to tossing out humiliating comments toward their choice!
I'm betting they'll go with they guy they know for sure is at least a qualified citizen.
25 posted on 01/17/2016 7:51:32 PM PST by lewislynn
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To: kik5150

I will tell the Seattle Seahawks how their runner up status last year really meant they “won.”


26 posted on 01/17/2016 7:51:44 PM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: kik5150

My fear is that after the March 1 primary,
only 3 remain in the race....Trump Cruz & Rubio or Bush.
That gives advantage to the establishment candidate. Rinse and repeat of 2012.


27 posted on 01/17/2016 7:57:25 PM PST by entropy12 (Rafael Cruz 100% eligible as natural born Canada citizen!! SCOTUS may clear his USA NBC status.)
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To: kik5150
They Ipsos/Reuters were the 4th most accurate in last presidential election out of 28 pollsters.

"Surprise! You'll Never Guess Who Was The Most Accurate Pollster This Election Season..."

Nov. 7, 2012, 1:56 PM

1. PPP (D)*

1. Daily Kos/SEIU/PPP*

3. YouGov*

4. Ipsos/Reuters*

5. Purple Strategies...

http://www.businessinsider.com/most-accurate-polls-of-2012-election-obama-romney-ppp-daily-kos-gallup-rasmussen-2012-11

28 posted on 01/17/2016 7:59:00 PM PST by Red Steel (Ted Cruz: 'I'm a Big Fan of Donald Trump')
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To: lewislynn
What? Rafael is not a qualified citizen of Canada?


29 posted on 01/17/2016 7:59:12 PM PST by entropy12 (Rafael Cruz 100% eligible as natural born Canada citizen!! SCOTUS may clear his USA NBC status.)
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To: kik5150

I think that’s part of the Cruz strategy — he’s everybody’s second choice. As the field winnows, that will boost his numbers. (At least, that’s the strategy.)

He’s also the one Republican candidate in a recent poll who can beat Trump head to head (precisely because he’s everybody’s second choice. Take their candidate out and they go to Cruz.)


30 posted on 01/17/2016 8:08:15 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: entropy12
My fear is that after the March 1 primary, only 3 remain in the race....Trump Cruz & Rubio or Bush.

If you read the article it is apparent that at this point only Trump or Cruz have a path to the nomination.
31 posted on 01/17/2016 8:10:51 PM PST by kik5150 (Cruz argued 9 times before Supreme Court judges. Trump argues with beauty pageant judges.)
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To: zerosix

You must have misunderstood me....I said a winner. You know, some one that can win the election.


32 posted on 01/17/2016 8:15:08 PM PST by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man a subject")
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To: kik5150
At this time, Cruz garners 50% more second choice voters than Trump.

Give that man a set of steak knives!

33 posted on 01/17/2016 8:32:12 PM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: mac_truck

ABC - Always Be Closing


34 posted on 01/17/2016 8:33:04 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Red Steel

General Election polling is much different from Primary/Caucus polling.

2008- ARG, Reuters, and CNN/ORC had Romney +3 and +6 respectively the week of the caucus. Huckabee won by 9.

2012 - On the day of the Caucus, CNN Exit Poll had Romney 25%, Paul 23% and Santorum 18%. Santorum won by less than 30 votes. There’s too many rural princints not taken into account which puts too much weight on the larger areas that can skew results.

Cruz is going to win IA by at least 10 points (possibly more). If the Caucuses were today:

Cruz: 37%
Trump: 23%
Rubio: 14%
Carson: 7%
Bush: 5%
Paul: 4%
Huckabee: 4%
Christie: 3%
Fiorina: 2%
Santorum/Kasich/Others: 1%

This will reset the polls somewhat. NH will be closer, but if Trump doesn’t have a meltdown Howard Dean moment losing big in IA, he’ll still be the favorite in NH. But Cruz is on a NH tour right now where the goal will be 2nd place and 20% to get delegates. It will look something like this:

Trump: 24%
Cruz: 20%
Rubio: 15%
Christie: 12%
Kasich: 11%
Bush: 11%
Fiorina: 4%
Carson: 3%
Others: <1%

Trump wins but it’s not as dominant, setting up SC. Cruz’s game will be very strong and Cruz will come out on top.

Cruz: 32%
Trump: 25%
Rubio: 15%
Bush: 10%
Carson: 8%
Christie: 7%
Others: 3%

Kasich, Chrisie, Fiorina, Santorum, and Huckabee are gone by then end of SC. Bush and Rubio stay in for the NV Caucuses.

Here, Cruz uses his organization and as a Caucus to once again beat Trump. Rubio’s ground game never materializes and he and Bush are further back, with Bush finally dropping out.

Cruz: 40%
Trump: 35%
Rubio: 15%
Bush: 10%

From there it’s onto Super Tuesday where Cruz wins the SEC primary.


35 posted on 01/17/2016 8:33:49 PM PST by parksstp ("Truth is NOT Rhetoric" - Sen. Ted Cruz (The obvious conservative choice for POTUS))
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To: dfwgator

Lol!


36 posted on 01/17/2016 8:34:13 PM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: kik5150

Second isn’t much consolation when you can’t even see the lead horse. LOL!


37 posted on 01/17/2016 8:41:20 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: TBP

I think you’re exactly right. There will be a great winnowing of candidates after Iowa. If Cruz wins and picks up the lion’s share of second choice voters he will have the momentum.


38 posted on 01/17/2016 8:41:21 PM PST by kik5150 (Cruz argued 9 times before Supreme Court judges. Trump argues with beauty pageant judges.)
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To: Red Steel

Well if Reuters says that you can take it to the Bank of Rwanda.


39 posted on 01/17/2016 8:50:59 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

If PMSLSDNBC says so, it must come from tingle legs Chrissy Matthews.


40 posted on 01/17/2016 8:58:10 PM PST by Red Steel (Ted Cruz: 'I'm a Big Fan of Donald Trump')
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