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The Concealed-Carry Fantasy (NYT fantasy)
New York Times ^ | October 26, 2015 | The Editorial Board

Posted on 10/26/2015 9:36:18 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee

The more that sensational gun violence afflicts the nation, the more that the myth of the vigilant citizen packing a legally permitted concealed weapon, fully prepared to stop the next mass shooter in his tracks, is promoted.

This foolhardy notion of quick-draw resistance, however, is dramatically contradicted by a research project showing that, since 2007, at least 763 people have been killed in 579 shootings that did not involve self-defense. Tellingly, the vast majority of these concealed-carry, licensed shooters killed themselves or others rather than taking down a perpetrator.

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The tally by the Violence Policy Center, a gun safety group, is necessarily incomplete because the gun lobby has been so successful in persuading gullible state and national legislators that concealed carry is essential to public safety, thus blocking the extensive data collection that should be mandatory for an obvious and severe public health problem. For that reason, the center has been forced to rely largely on news accounts and limited data in 38 states and the District of Columbia. . .

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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What the Times and the Violence Policy Center omit from the data is how many lives were saved or crimes stopped by concealed carry.
1 posted on 10/26/2015 9:36:18 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee
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To: Brad from Tennessee
The tally by the Violence Policy Center, a gun safety group

Consider the source

2 posted on 10/26/2015 9:38:04 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

The statistics obsess on ONLY situations where someone dies - when the whole point is concealed carry SAVED LIVES by _nobody_ dying.


3 posted on 10/26/2015 9:38:30 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Everyone entering NRA offices come out alive. Not so Planned Parenthood.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
"763 people have been killed in 579 shootings that did not involve self-defense."

And how many of those were suicides? Based on other data, government data, is should be well over 60%. Since this is presumably dealing with CCW permit holders I bet it is over 80% suicides.

4 posted on 10/26/2015 9:43:35 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Brad from Tennessee

How long will the American people allow these propaganda mills to operate?


5 posted on 10/26/2015 9:43:54 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Gosh, this is such a poorly-written editorial that it is almost unreadable. Anyway, the study linked from the editorial says that there were 235,000 defensive uses of firearms in a single year. While this figure is used to contradict the NRA’s figure of 2.5 million, it is still an enormous figure! And the fact that very few of these 235,000 uses required fatally shooting the attacker is a good thing and does not support the NYT’s argument at all.


6 posted on 10/26/2015 9:49:22 AM PDT by Stingray51
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To: Brad from Tennessee

All it proves to me is that gun free zones don’t work.


7 posted on 10/26/2015 9:51:28 AM PDT by V_TWIN
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To: Brad from Tennessee
The tally by the Violence Policy Center...

And with that we know this story is pure horse hillary.

8 posted on 10/26/2015 9:51:57 AM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

We all know the best people to advise us on concealed carry and gun control are liberal wussies who wet their panties at the sight of a cloud or a Pop-Tart in the shape of the letter “L”.


9 posted on 10/26/2015 9:52:11 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The wise have stores of choice food and oil but a foolish man devours all he has. Proverbs 21:20)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

So if carrying weapons is not effective in stopping criminals, why do cops carry guns? Do not say they are trained professionals. Most departments have minimal training in the academy and no further mandatory training or re-qualification. Consider the officer in front of the Empire State Building years ago who fire several times hitting the perp once and wounding several bystanders.


10 posted on 10/26/2015 9:53:45 AM PDT by rey
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To: Brad from Tennessee

The Second Amendment was given to the people to protect them from the type of totalitarian scum that inhabits the NYT and the “Violence Policy Center.”

Go to hell, NYT. You are an ENEMY of the Bill Of Rights, the people, and of freedom.


11 posted on 10/26/2015 10:01:36 AM PDT by TTFlyer
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Geesh, who does the editing of the editorial board rantings? This is nearly incoherent. What I glean is (1) the Times is carefully concealing that the VPC is the premier propaganda spout for firearms confiscation, and (2) that "concealed carry" has suddenly morphed to cover both licensed and illicit carry. And (3) that the amorphous, unnamed "gun lobby" is somehow preventing the VPC from writing more propaganda, although precisely how is left somewhat ambiguous.

However, if data is desired there isn't really much of a shortage as the Times complains. There is, for example, the rather inconvenient phenomenon of plummeting murder rates plotted against increasing rates of concealed carry detailed HERE. Opposed to the sophomoric "You're all a bunch of Rambo wannabes" sneering is cold, hard fact. Pity the Times doesn't deal in that these days.

12 posted on 10/26/2015 10:01:57 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: MNJohnnie

Yep, both are rabidly anti-gun and anti-freedom.


13 posted on 10/26/2015 10:05:18 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (There's a right to gay marriage in the Constitution but there is no right of an unborn baby to life.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
"The more that sensational gun violence afflicts the nation, the more that the myth of the vigilant citizen packing
a legally permitted concealed weapon, fully prepared to stop the next mass shooter in his tracks, is promoted."

How foolish to think that guns can be effective in protecting anyone from violence.

/s


14 posted on 10/26/2015 10:11:11 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The wise have stores of choice food and oil but a foolish man devours all he has. Proverbs 21:20)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
since 2007, at least 763 people have been killed in 579 shootings that did not involve self-defense"

Not self defense cause the victim had no gun. Also I assume there have been more that 763 people killed!
15 posted on 10/26/2015 10:12:45 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (When the MSM and Elites want your opinion they will give it to you.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
The tally by the Violence Policy Center, a gun safety group,

Big Media are pathological liars. Here's an example.

16 posted on 10/26/2015 10:13:36 AM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: MNJohnnie

Correction, gun CONFISCATION group.

They want their own private, ex-military armed security details to protect their interests (Soros, Bloomberg, etc.)


17 posted on 10/26/2015 10:36:07 AM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Get over it. The purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to bring down a corrupt government when it gets out of hand.


18 posted on 10/26/2015 10:45:01 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Political Correctness is Suppression of Free Speech. Thank the Commies for Political Correctness.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

We are || THIS close to civil war. The first attempts at Federal confiscation will start the blood flowing.


19 posted on 10/26/2015 10:51:11 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (AMERICA IS DONE! When can we start over?)
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To: stocksthatgoup; All

Mass Killings Stopped by Armed Citizens, Updated

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2015/05/mass-killings-stopped-by-armed-citizens.html


20 posted on 10/26/2015 11:03:15 AM PDT by marktwain
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