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Serious Anti-Gunners Show What Compromise On Gun Control Would Mean
The Daily Caller ^ | June 27, 2015 | NRA ILA

Posted on 06/27/2015 9:20:09 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

Whether to capitalize on a tragedy for political purposes, or because their urge to “do something” isn’t tempered by a sense of reality, Senators Joe Manchin (D-W.V.) and Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) reacted to the deplorable murders at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina, last week by saying that they may reintroduce so-called “universal” background check legislation to require background checks on private sales and trades of firearms, including those between many family members and friends. NRA members and supporters will recall that a previous version of the Manchin-Toomey “universal” background check legislation was soundly defeated in the U.S. Senate in 2013.

As we noted at that time, such a system could only be enforced through national gun registration.  But don’t just take our word for it, even Obama administration “experts” wrote that the effectiveness of “universal” background checks “depends on . . . requiring gun registration.

Earlier this week, The Washington Post reported that Manchin wants to focus on preventing the acquisition of guns by people diagnosed with a mental illness. However, the person who admitted to the South Carolina church shooting had no such diagnosis in his background. Like the perpetrators of a large percentage of other multiple victim shootings, he passed a background check to acquire a gun because there was nothing in his record to prohibit him from doing so.

Background checks don’t stop criminals from stealing guns, or buying them on the black market, as noted by the Bureau of Justice Statistics in Table 14 of a May 2013 report. And they don’t stop criminals from getting guns through straw purchases—using people who can pass background checks to buy guns for people who cannot pass them—as the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives indicated in a separate report.

In addition, there is another reason to oppose expanding the scope, intrusiveness and record-keeping practices of so-called “universal” background check systems. Giving in to what gun control supporters call “common sense” restrictions would simply take us closer to their ultimate goal.

Last year, Hillary Clinton said that people shouldn’t be allowed to even have an opinion in opposition to gun control.  And just last week, former president Bill Clinton, who would presumably wield significant influence over public policy if Mrs. Clinton is elected president in 2016, said people shouldn’t be allowed to “walk around” with guns in public. At the same time, the Violence Policy Center encouraged people to believe there’s not much to be gained by carrying guns in public in the first place, falsely claiming that “Guns are rarely used to kill criminals or stop crimes.”

And then there’s former Maryland governor Martin O’Malley, challenging Hillary Clinton for the Democratic Party’s 2016 presidential nomination, who’s made it very clear that he supports a ban on the private possession of firearms.  O’Malley’s position reflects gun control supporters’ refusal to recognize that people have a fundamental right to possess guns for self-defense; that guns are often used for self-defense; and that criminals would reap an enormous advantage from any gun-ban that is effectively implemented. As civil rights attorney Don Kates and Professor Gary Mauser have noted, “violent crime would not fall if guns were totally banned to civilians . . . . [I]ndividuals who commit violent crimes will either find guns despite severe controls or will find other weapons to use.”

Indeed, the FBI reports that one-third of murders, 59 percent of robberies and 78 percent of aggravated assaults reported to law enforcement agencies are committed without firearms. As an example of the first of those statistics, Charles C.W. Cooke noted for National Review earlier this month that a woman was brutally killed by a knife-wielding attacker recently, unable to defend herself because her pending New Jersey handgun permit application hadn’t been approved.

Meanwhile, the Sydney Morning Herald reports that President Barack Obama, always enamored by gun bans in other parts of the world, cited, as he has previously, Australia’s massive gun ban and confiscation via a mandatory “buy-back” in the 1990s as an example of what he’d like to see happen in America.

Obama also blamed the Senate’s rejection of his 2013 gun control proposals on that perennial anti-gunner bogeyman, “the grip of the NRA on Congress.” What he fails to realize is that the NRA’s strength comes from its millions of members and tens of millions of supporters throughout the country. As a result, to gun control supporters’ everlasting regret, public opinion places more faith in guns and gun ownership than in gun control.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2a; aa; banglist; guncontrol; guns

1 posted on 06/27/2015 9:20:09 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

A SCOTUS gun control decision in the future.
Look out.


2 posted on 06/27/2015 9:23:48 AM PDT by Sasparilla (If you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: Sasparilla
Well, if they're going to force Massachusetts's gay marriage laws on the country (forbid restrictions in any state), it would only be fair and logical to require every state to obey Alaska or Georgia's gun laws (i.e., minimal restrictions).

Equal protection under the law for gun owners! #gunlove

3 posted on 06/27/2015 9:29:01 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd
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To: Sasparilla

Not likely.


4 posted on 06/27/2015 9:37:55 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("If he were working for the other side, what would he be doing differently ?")
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To: Sasparilla

I think the immediate post-Heller period was the high water mark for the 2nd Amendment: the elite is now openly lawless and looking at the Roberts “court,” I wuldn’t be surprised to see Heller overturned.


5 posted on 06/27/2015 9:41:32 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: Sasparilla
“A SCOTUS gun control decision in the future.
Look out.”

Nine old people in robes do not trump the rights granted by the Constitution and God.

6 posted on 06/27/2015 9:46:36 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

...not likely...

Very likely. They feel and act invincible and are emboldened. They will strike while they have
momentum.


7 posted on 06/27/2015 9:48:23 AM PDT by Sasparilla (If you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: BigCinBigD

As long as I have my rifle I still have a vote, even if it’s from the rooftops.

L


8 posted on 06/27/2015 9:49:42 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Sasparilla

The reason for my opinion is this High Court has already taken up the RKBA and found it constitutional.
It is unlikely that the same group of players would rewrite their decision from only a few years ago.


9 posted on 06/27/2015 9:51:09 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("If he were working for the other side, what would he be doing differently ?")
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To: Sasparilla

I will not comply. Your move.


10 posted on 06/27/2015 9:53:16 AM PDT by Noumenon (Resistance. Restoration. Retribution.)
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To: Lurker

Roger that.


11 posted on 06/27/2015 9:53:32 AM PDT by Noumenon (Resistance. Restoration. Retribution.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Disarm the Secret Service as a sign of good faith then we can talk about compromise.


12 posted on 06/27/2015 9:59:14 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Toomey is a traitor. He was voted in by his constituency expecting a conservative representative. Email him, tell him you don't want this, and he sends a form email back stating how he feels it is important,etc.
"Hey, B**tch-I didn't ask you to go to Washington and do what you wanted-you are supposed to do what your voters that you represent want. " This seems to be the problem with all of them. They forget what they are supposed to do.
I don't see this getting any better. I see gun control as part of their plan, it's inevitable.
13 posted on 06/27/2015 10:32:26 AM PDT by Aut Pax Aut Bellum (I love my dogs, but a .45 is man's best friend...)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The Gun Control definition of “compromise”:

“I want to take that which you do now and make you liable to be arrested, jailed, or killed if you continue to do it.”

So, if it is a compromise, what do we get in return?

If universal background checks are so necessary and effective, then maybe I should just be allowed to own a machine gun without jumping through hoops? Maybe I should be allowed to carry anywhere I want?

That would be compromise. Being required to give up my rights with nothing in return is not.


14 posted on 06/27/2015 10:33:37 AM PDT by FLAMING DEATH (I'm not racist - I hate Biden too!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Serious Anti-Gunners Show What Compromise On Gun Control Would Mean

Compromising with bad policy is like adding a little sewage to your drinking water.

15 posted on 06/27/2015 10:55:15 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & Ifwater the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed

Forgot to close italics.


16 posted on 06/27/2015 10:55:56 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & Ifwater the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Since the liberals are fond of saying it’s the law of the land when it comes to Obamacare and the Gay Marriage issue. Well the 2nd Amendment has been the law of the land since the Constitution was established.


17 posted on 06/27/2015 11:25:10 AM PDT by ms1347
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To: FLAMING DEATH

we have compromised enough over the past couple of decades. It’s never enough for them. it’s death by a thousand cuts they seek. No more compromises. No more defense. Time to go on the offense. past time actually.


18 posted on 06/27/2015 4:32:53 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a politically correct way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one

You cannot compromise with evil.

Just like the gays wanting “tolerance”, now they want to rewrite the Bible and decide what religious beliefs we can hold.


19 posted on 06/27/2015 4:34:05 PM PDT by GeronL
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