Waco bikers: 'They made us feel like animals'

12News ^ | June 2, 2015 | Rissa Shaw

[Travis McGee]

You need to get up to speed, or just join the ranks of the jackboot lickers, the types of Gestapo Groupies who would have had an orgasm watching the SS marching past, on the way to gassing Jews at Dachau.

Or perhaps you believe that Lt. Calley was just breaking up a fight between Vietnamese clans at My Lai, when his troops happened to stroll by.

IOW, you are either an effing idiot, or a Gestapo Groupie. Choose one.

Biker Gang Shooting: Biker killed in Twin Peaks shooting awarded Purple Heart

By The Associated Press

Military records show one of the nine bikers killed outside a Texas restaurant was a Purple Heart recipient who served in Vietnam.

Jesus Delgado Rodriguez of New Braunfels, Texas, was an active-duty Marine from 1969 to 1973. He received the Purple Heart, as well as a Navy commendation medal and several other awards. The Purple Herat is given to those wounded or killed in action.

Rodriguez's family says he was not part of an outlaw biker gang, despite police claims that all nine bikers who died were members of criminal gangs.

An Associated Press review of court records and a database maintained by the Texas Department of Public Safety found no criminal history in Texas for Rodriguez.

A confederation of motorcycle groups had gathered at a Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco Sunday when a dispute in the parking lot escalated into deadly violence.

Family members of a man killed in a biker shootout at a Texas restaurant say he was not part of an outlaw motorcycle gang.

That contradicts police claims that all nine bikers who died were members of criminal gangs.

The son of 65-year-old Jesus Delgado Rodriguez, of New Braunfels, told the San Antonio Express-News that his father did not lead a life of violence. An Associated Press review of court records and a database maintained by the Texas Department of Public Safety found no criminal history in Texas for Rodriguez.

Family members said Rodriguez had belonged to two now defunct motorcycle clubs but was not part of any club when he was shot and killed at Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco.

Waco police spokesman Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton told the AP on Wednesday that all those killed were members of the Bandidos or the Cossacks. Swanton did not immediately return a message Thursday.

[Travis McGee]

At this point, we don’t know if all nine were killed by police 5.56mm rounds, or what.

But the absence of any exculpatory video tape being produced by the Waco PD, and 170+ men being arrested on million dollar bails, tells me it was a police sniper massacre, no matter how it started.

And the “original sin,” no matter what we hear in coming weeks, will probably prove to have been done by a police informant or undercover cop.

Of course, we won’t know that for a long time.

But no matter what, if you lay in three angles of sniper fire, it’s a sniper ambush, just waiting for a plausible pretext to open fire.

[wastoute]

I just keep asking myself what in the world were these cops thinking. Setting up a buzz saw on American streets. Didn’t it occur to anyone with a badge that this could all go terribly wrong? I just don’t get it. I remember as a naive 18 y.o. Sitting at a Mountain concert on the Boulder lawn, everyone smoking dope like no tomorrow and on both sides of us were dozens of police, elbow to elbow. I remember thinking, “What the hell are they gonna do? Arrest all 10,000 of us?”. That they might just start shooting didn’t cross my mind. Apparently it should have. In the interval I learned to avoid crowds and the police unless it was worth it. Singing Amazing Grace with a million others on The Mall was worth it.

[Oliviaforever]

So the Purple Heart Veteran is one of the murder victims, not one of the people sitting in jail for doing the shooting?

[gogeo]

Hopefully that's a brain fart on your part...

Just angels out to have lunch, or bike gangs looking to rumble.

There seems to be a lot of room in the middle. I'd say virtually every Freeper would fall into that range. I'm not an angel, and I don't rumble...but I still go out to lunch, and I don't expect to be shot while doing so, or arrested.

[Finny]

So the Purple Heart Veteran is one of the murder victims, not one of the people sitting in jail for doing the shooting?

Not just one of the nine dead, but with ZERO criminal record in Texas.

[Boomer]

“Them drug dealing criminal gang members were just getting together for brunch. If the jackboots can treat poor innocent drug dealing gang members like this, imagine what they’re gonna do to fishmongers, upholsterers and accountants next.”

How do you know some of them weren’t fishmonger, upholsterers, or accountants?

You fit in with the other liberal trolls here such as texasgator, CPOnav, and desertRhino. Aren’t you supposed to be over on DU? You are on the wrong forum.

[Oliviaforever]

None of the people arrested had a criminal record?

[Finny]

Why don’t you do your own research, for the love of pete!!! It’s EASY to find the answer to that question!!

[Boomer]

“Why don’t you do your own research, for the love of pete!!! It’s EASY to find the answer to that question!!”

You’re wasting your time. She/he is clearly as dumb as a box of rocks. Wet ones at that.

[VerySadAmerican]

I think we agree. There is no doubt way over a hundred people were arrested and are sitting in jail simply because they were wearing their “colors”. How many amendments are being violated?

[Ethan Clive Osgoode]

So the Purple Heart Veteran is one of the murder victims, not one of the people sitting in jail for doing the shooting?

Yes, and certain unclever folk in this thread are arguing that it somehow proves that the criminal gang members sitting in jail din't do nuffins.

[Ethan Clive Osgoode]

but I still go out to lunch, and I don't expect to be shot while doing so

Do you often go out for lunch with members of criminal gangs?

[cynwoody]

It's stories like this that convince me that Waco is run by pigs.

My suspicion is that the Waco police amplified a biker brawl into a police massacre and then attempted to cover up their error by arresting all of the witnesses and holding them on $1m bail. There can be no other explanation for arresting folks just because they were found at a crime scene!

[cynwoody]

All the more reason for Freepers not to take sides until all the facts are available.

It seems highly likely that not all 171 of those arrested should have been arrested and held on $1m bail.

That alone is a reason to take a side.

[gogeo]

Do you often go out for lunch with members of criminal gangs?

No, I hang out with a much more dangerous bunch, "right wing extremists." A government which does not consider Muslims as possible terrorists considers me to be extreme and dangerous by definition.

Were I to have lunch with such a group, I wouldn't expect to be herded into the paddy wagons like cattle and assigned $1M bail.

The Waco PD has set the bar very high. They've arrested and charged over 100 bikers. Conspiracy charges are generally vague enough that a lie could stick, but the chance of 100% conviction is roughly the same that Obama is actually Ollie North in disguise.

Unlike those who have already convicted all in their minds, I'm willing to let events play out. Now I believe it's more likely that as more becomes known the local PD will be viewed as the offenders.

Predictably, those who have to choose sides (rather than judge based upon facts) will be unavailable for comment.

[Ethan Clive Osgoode]

No,

And if you did often go for lunch with members of criminal gangs, would it be an inexplicable, baffling and unexpected suprise if one day you got shot or arrested during one of these power lunches?

[Ethan Clive Osgoode]

How do you know some of them weren’t fishmonger, upholsterers, or accountants?

Ah, I see. According to you, the cops came to deep-six any fishmongers that may have been in the crowd of drug-dealing criminal gang members. And upholsterers. Someone tipped them off that upholsterers and fishmongers were gonna be at this meeting of criminal gang members, and the jackboots jumped at the opportunity to ventilate them.

[A CA Guy]

LOL, good one.

[longtermmemmory]

The USA still prohibits guilt by association.

If this was a turf summit to divide up illegal activity then the police should have just had a warrant, recorded this, and made arrests later when this fiasco could have been avoided.