Posted on 05/18/2015 5:40:06 PM PDT by Kaslin
RUSH: It's Josh in Williamsburg, Virginia. Great to have you, sir. Hello. Appreciate your patience.
CALLER: Hey, Rush. Thanks for taking my call. So I want to do two things. The first is to say that Jeb Bush's answer to Megyn Kelly's initial question was not necessarily wrong. He could validly have that answer to her question. The second is to --
RUSH: Wait a minute, Josh. What --
CALLER: Yeah.
RUSH: Just refresh people's -- what did he say? What was his answer to that first question? He would do it all over again, right?
CALLER: Yeah. So the question was that, knowing what you know now, would you do what was done then. He answered yes, but he answered it to a question of "with the same facts then, would you do the same thing." So that's basically what he said. My argument is that his answer is not necessarily incorrect regardless of the question. It would be valid -- it could have been just as valid and just as justified, knowing what we know now, to go into Iraq back then.
RUSH: Except -- see, here's the thing. Republican candidates are gonna have to figure this out, and I think Jeb sooner than the others. He's got to figure out that no matter what he says to this question, the media has already concluded that Iraq was a mistake, it was a debacle, it was a total mistake. The media thinks everybody else thinks that, and --
CALLER: That's true. But let me address that point and address the caller that you had a couple callers ago --
RUSH: The neocon guy?
CALLER: Blaming everything on neocons, right?
RUSH: Yeah.
CALLER: Number one, I don't think he knows what neocon really means as a international relations paradigm. Number two, Saddam Hussein was not a good man. He was not, as you caricatured the opposition, he was not a bumbling dope, he was not a bumbling idiot. He was a murderer. He was a psychopath. He repressed his people politically and physically. He committed genocide against his own people, and, you know, that caller is falling into the same trap as Rand Paul did when he criticized Jeb Bush, and that's the trap of time travel. Just because we say that hindsight is 20/20, it doesn't mean that if we change some facts in the past, that we will get a different result.
RUSH: No question about it.
CALLER: No question about it. But the fallacy that everybody falls into, that if we wouldn't have gone into Iraq in 2003, then today's facts would be as if it was 2003, and that's not true at all. In fact, if you look at the toppling of Saddam that let directly to the Arab Spring to probably one of the weakest moments in Iran's history, which was the Green Revolution in 2009, you can't blame Iranian strength on us going into Iraq. You can blame that squarely on us not intervening in 2009 when Iran was --
RUSH: Yeah, but, see, here's --
CALLER: -- at their weaknesses.
RUSH: Right. Okay. Now, I've gotta reserve my comment for after the break here because we've just reached it, but I appreciate the call, and I acknowledge your points with a "but."
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RUSH: Yeah, so Jeb Bush is between a rock and a hard place. So here comes the totality of the Drive-By Media with a single question: "Would you invade Iraq like your brother did, knowing what you know now, knowing what you know now, would you invade Iraq like your brother did?" And Jeb says (paraphrasing), "I can't throw my brother overboard. I can't throw my brother under the bus." So he says, "Yes." But he means "yes" for a whole host of reasons, as those outlined by our previous caller. But the reasons, the fact that they're factual kind of misses the point because that's not why the question was asked.
The question was not asked to elucidate a thorough foreign policy explanation answer. The question was asked to trip up and disqualify Jeb Bush. The question was asked to once again caricature George W. Bush as a failure. I think the Republican establishment is the last bunch of people to realize that the mainstream is not necessary and certainly is not going to work to get their message out. Because I think the establishment of the Republican Party -- when you believe that you can't criticize Obama because the independents won't like it; when you believe that you've got to be for amnesty to get the Hispanics on your side; when you believe that you have to say things like you want to be bipartisan, you want to work together with the Democrats, if you believe that that's what you have to say, then you're also going to believe that you can convince the mainstream media that you are worth supporting, and that's what I don't think is possible.
And I think they're living an illusion and they are not coming to grips, maybe because they don't want to, with the fact that the media is every bit the enemy as is any Democrat candidate. Whoever it was, Megyn Kelly, it gets picked up, and he's asked this question by a lot of people. The reason for asking the question is not to produce an enlightened foreign policy answer, because there were a whole lot of the reasons beyond weapons of mass destruction that we went into Iraq, but nobody remembers them and nobody's talking about them. And if you're not gonna bring them up in that answer, they may as well not have been relevant.
There are ways of doing this. As I said, look, I outlined it a moment ago. I would simply refuse to accept the premise of the question. That, to me, seems like the number one thing to teach every Republican officeholder and candidate. I don't care if it's for the town council, you learn to identify the premise of the question, and you learn to instinctively reject the premise. And in this case, in this question, "knowing what you know now, would you do it again? Was it a mistake?" You refuse to accept the premise.
The premise is, "Iraq was a total Bush failure. Iraq was a total Republican failure." And you have to not accept that and turn it around, if you're gonna answer the question. "Well, had I known that the Democrat Party was going to attempt to divide this country by sabotaging the war effort. Had I known the lengths to which Harry Reid would proclaim the Iraq war a loss, then I might have rethought it. If I had known that the Democrats was going to be every bit the enemy in the war in Iraq that Saddam was, then, yeah, I might." Get it out there. Get it out there that these things we're living with today are the result of Democrat Party policy. They are the result of the Barack Obama presidency. It takes two to tango.
Bush hasn't been president in six years. Iraq was stable. Obama took credit for it. Remind them of that. Remind them that Barack Obama and Joe Biden claimed credit for a successful Iraq war policy back in the days when it was stable and there were elections pre-ISIS. There's any number of ways of doing this. If you're gonna do it from the standpoint of giving an enlightened foreign policy answer, then you better give all of the enlightened aspects of the answer in the answer.
I know, look, it's easy to sit here and suggest how to do things when you're not in the fire itself, and I understand that. All of this is hindsight, and hindsight makes everything much easier.
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RUSH: I went back to the archives of the Grooveyard of Forgotten Sound bite favorites, and I want you to hear Bill Clinton talking about Saddam Hussein. I mentioned this earlier in the program, and I just wanted to give you the backup. Bill Clinton in 1998 (trying to make everybody forget about Lewinsky) was threatening to go to war with Iraq. Saddam Hussein was preparing weapons of mass destruction. The UN and everybody knew about it. All the intelligence services knew about it.
Because the Democrats today (led by Maureen Dowd yesterday) are trying to create a new narrative, which is: "All the world's intelligence services knew Saddam did not have WMD, and they all tried to warn Bush, but Cheney wouldn't listen, because Cheney's bloodthirsty Darth Vader. He wanted to go in there just to be Mr. Tough Guy, and he walked and talked Bush into it," and it's a lie.
All the intel services told us, along with our own, that Saddam was building and developing WMD. He had gassed the Kurds previously. The story today is that that wasn't true. They're coming up with a new narrative, that the intel services of the world knew Saddam had nothing and tried to warn us and we wouldn't listen. So if the intel services were lying to Bush in 2001 and 2002, then why were they telling Clinton the truth in 1998? Here's Bill Clinton, February 17th, 1998, speaking to the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the Pentagon about Saddam Hussein.
CLINTON 1998: His Regime threatens the safety of his people, the stability of his region, and the security of all the rest of us. Someday, some way, I guarantee you, he'll use the arsenal. Let there be no doubt: We are prepared to act. I know that the people we may call upon in uniform are ready. The American people have to be ready as well.
RUSH: That's 1998, in the thick of Lewinsky stuff, and he's trying to get the world prepared that we might have go take out Saddam. And you should hear the Democrats supporting this! Every Democrat senator is echoing this and more. Dianne Feinstein, John Kerry, they're all beating up on Saddam like you've never heard anybody beat up on Saddam. Here's more from Clinton. This February 20th. This is three days later in a video message to Saddam entitled, "We'll do what we have to do."
CLINTON 1998: Nobody wants to use force. But if Saddam refuses to keep his commitments to the international community, we must be prepared to deal directly with the threat these weapons pose to the Iraqi people, to Iraq's neighbors, and to the rest of the world. Either Saddam acts or we will have to.
RUSH: That's a video message Clinton made to the Iraqi people and Saddam, "We'll do what we have to do. We'll take you out." This all about his weapons of mass destruction in 1998. When you heard Bush talk about it three or four years later -- using the same words, practically. It was uncanny, in fact. People forget this. Ah, now our intel services were lying to Bush. But apparently were telling the truth to Clinton back in 1998! I just wanted you to hear it, just wanted you to hear this.
I've got a transcript here of Clinton's remarks on December 16th, 1998, when he was facing impeachment for perjury and stuff. Let me just read this to you very quickly. This is Clinton. Remarks on Wednesday, December 16th, 1998. "Good evening. Earlier today I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined today by British forces.
"Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors. Their purpose is to protect the national interests of the United States and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world. Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threat his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas, or biological weapons."
That's a Clinton address to the nation in December 1998, and he launched an attack. He killed a janitor. No, that was in the Sudan. The aspirin factory, the Tylenol factory he blew up was in Sudan. This was a Saturday bombing run into Baghdad. He attacked a central office building there and killed a janitor. I'm not making that up. He sent a warning shot into Iraq, and a janitor died -- a custodian, a vision-control coordinator, window washer, whatever it was -- in 1998.
That address that I just quoted went on for 10 minutes.
Clinton was warning everybody about how bad Hussein was, the weapons of mass. "Nuclear," he said. Did you just hear that? Nuclear. Yet they say, "Cheney lied and Bush lied! There were no WMD!" But somehow Clinton was telling the truth. And again, the Democrats of that era -- in the Senate and the House -- oh, man, you should have heard them running to the microphones to say they'd be the first in line to vote to authorize Clinton to do this. And then five short years later, there they are trying to undermine it when George W. Bush is doing it.
Would you take the word of Secretary of State Madeline Albright? (Columbus Ohio Townhall meeting 1998, Berger and Cohen also)
SECRETARY ALBRIGHT: Thank you very much. Good afternoon. On behalf of
my colleagues and myself, thank you very much for coming. During the
next hour and a half, we plan to discuss with you why the
confrontation between Iraq and the world matters to us as Americans;
how it developed; and what our strategy is for settling it in a way
that leaves us, our friends in the region and the entire world safer.
Iraq is a long way from Ohio, but what happens there matters a great
deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use
nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is
the greatest security threat we face. And it is a threat against which
we must, and will, stand firm.
In discussing Iraq, we begin by knowing that Saddam Hussein, unlike
any other leader, has used weapons of mass destruction even against
his own people. In fact, he is a repeat offender, having used them
both in the battle and against his people.
When the Gulf War ended seven years ago, Iraq was required to destroy
such arms, and a special United Nations commission, called UNSCOM, was
created to verify that and to see that weapons would not be replaced.
Despite repeated Iraqi obstruction, UNSCOM has uncovered and destroyed
more of those deadly weapons than were demolished during the entire
Gulf War. But the evidence is strong that Iraq continues to hide
prohibited weapons and materials. There remains a critical gap between
the number of weapons we know Iraq produced and the amount we can
confirm were destroyed. There is only one way to learn the truth:
UNSCOM’s inspectors must have free, unfettered and unconditional
access to people, documents and facilities in Iraq. That is what we’re
demanding, and that demand has been echoed repeatedly by the UN
Security Council and by the world.
Unfortunately, Saddam continues to deny UNSCOM access to dozens of
suspect sites. He’s also trying to discredit UNSCOM, and to change its
character so that it will no longer be independent, and its
inspections no longer credible. As President Clinton made clear in his
strong speech yesterday at the Pentagon, the United States will not
allow this to happen. Iraq must permit UN inspectors to do their jobs,
as the Security Council has directed. If this does not occur, we must
be, and we are, prepared to use military force.
We support UN Secretary General Kofi Annan’s plan to visit Baghdad
this weekend to gain Iraq’s full compliance with Security Council
resolutions. A peaceful solution remains our preferred option; but it
must be a true not a phony solution. Make no mistake, if we use
military force, it will be because Saddam Hussein has refused to
accept a peaceful solution. If we do not use force, it will be because
Iraq has finally agreed to give UN inspectors
This is the sort of thing Limbaugh does best - just get out the facts, the tapes, the statements, that all the Dems and the media want to pretend never happened.
Bush Lied. Nothing more than an occupy/progressive chant. Nonsense.
Remember the Bush Bros. believe Saddam tried to assassinate their Dad so it was personal for them.
Bush did have the support of Congress, the people, the Western world, and also many ME countries. And one other matter is being overlooked. The UN - Bush was going to the UN for a resolution to go into Iraq. It seems like it was twelve years and many resolutions - usually blocked by Russia (Iraq was Russia’s client state and supplied their military material and advisors. Eventually the UN did provide the resolution to invade and the coalition, led by the US did. I may be a little off, but this is a old man’s recollection which I believe to be correct.
Yea right
The Iraq war was a continuance of Desert Storm, and you know it
one more thing about Post #6 - Bush was careful to get agreement from a host of entities as I pointed out in #6. I think some of that painstaking process was to keep from being labeled a “cowboy president.”
He sure did
Very well said
I as ashamed of the number of Freepers (see Kenny500c above) who have bought the leftist party line about Bush
It tells me that there is some unfortunate born every minute who is ready to swallow what they are told over and over again
No matter if was right or not, it’s Kryptonite now, because Bush never defended it, and with Jeb running is going to be on everybodys mind
The Iraq war was a success until that arrogant pos occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave turned it into a disaster by pulling the troops out and releasing the terrorists from Gitmo
I feel the same way as you do, and I don’t believe they are not really Freepers but trolls who masquerade as Freepers
If Bush Lied, a Lot of Democrats Lied too.
Bush wasn’t even President in 1998 when Clinton started the war in Iraq.
So why don't you wait until he does before you jump prematurely to conclusions.
And so did the Useless Nations
Correct. Also 9/11 happened because of Billy Jeff
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