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What ISIS Really Wants
The Atlantic ^ | March 2015 | Graeme Wood

Posted on 02/18/2015 7:13:17 AM PST by free_life

The Islamic State is no mere collection of psychopaths. It is a religious group with carefully considered beliefs, among them that it is a key agent of the coming apocalypse. Here’s what that means for its strategy—and for how to stop it.

What is the Islamic State?

Where did it come from, and what are its intentions? The simplicity of these questions can be deceiving, and few Western leaders seem to know the answers. In December, The New York Times published confidential comments by Major General Michael K. Nagata, the Special Operations commander for the United States in the Middle East, admitting that he had hardly begun figuring out the Islamic State’s appeal. “We have not defeated the idea,” he said. “We do not even understand the idea.” In the past year, President Obama has referred to the Islamic State, variously, as “not Islamic” and as al-Qaeda’s “jayvee team,” statements that reflected confusion about the group, and may have contributed to significant strategic errors.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: dabiq; daesh; is; isil; isis; jihad; syria
The Islamic State awaits the army of “Rome,” whose defeat at Dabiq, Syria, will initiate the countdown to the apocalypse.
1 posted on 02/18/2015 7:13:17 AM PST by free_life
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To: free_life
"The Islamic State is no mere collection of psychopaths"

Yeah, it pretty much is. They want political power and sex slaves, just like their idol, Mohammed. Satan could do much better if these pricks are his plan for doomsday.

2 posted on 02/18/2015 7:17:07 AM PST by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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To: free_life

this is a good article for a lib publication but it’s been posted half a dozen times.


3 posted on 02/18/2015 7:18:30 AM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: free_life
all the want is that small 3-letter word J O B S
State Department spokeswoman floats jobs as answer to ISIS

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/17/state-department-spokeswoman-floats-jobs-as-answer-to-isis/

4 posted on 02/18/2015 7:19:24 AM PST by Paul46360 (..)
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To: free_life

Eggs-Zactly. And Dabiq is the key in thier apocalyptic minds.
Freegards
Lex


5 posted on 02/18/2015 7:20:08 AM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: free_life
What do they really want? I read a report on the BBC website yesterday that said that in some Iraqi town they control (can't recall which one) women are required to wear *two* layers of black burlap instead of the usual one layer.

I kid you not!

6 posted on 02/18/2015 7:21:16 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Obama;America's First "Third World" President)
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To: piasa

This post, they at least got the thesis in there....


7 posted on 02/18/2015 7:21:50 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Bush / Clinton 2016! Clinton / Bush 2020! Uniparty Rules!)
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To: free_life

Glenn Beck was talking about this about an hour ago on his radio program.


8 posted on 02/18/2015 7:28:21 AM PST by Perseverando (In Washington it's common knowledge that Barack Hussein Obama is ineligible to be POTUS.)
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To: Impy

Better for us if these were just a bunch of psychopaths. ISIS is attracting intellectuals, those who have studied the Koran and Islamic history, law and prophecy. They are intent on bringing about the end of the world because they believe allah has instructed them to do so, that there is no other way for a muslim to be a muslim. They are much more dangerous than a bunch of psychopaths.


9 posted on 02/18/2015 7:34:21 AM PST by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: piasa

I can find no thread on this article.


10 posted on 02/18/2015 7:35:01 AM PST by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

Dabiq is on the way to Jerusalem where the final battle is to be waged in their belief.


11 posted on 02/18/2015 7:36:46 AM PST by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

They IS fighters are all expecting to die to usher in the end. They want to die. We will see variants of this appearing around the world, dedicated warriors with apocalyptic zeal to usher in the end.


12 posted on 02/18/2015 7:44:38 AM PST by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: free_life
Definitely "recommended reading," though it's a solid 15 to 20 minute read, for quasi-illiterates like me. It filled one or two gaps in my poorly-informed thinking, whether one agrees with the author's conclusions or not, here and there, and I don't, here and there.
13 posted on 02/18/2015 7:57:10 AM PST by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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To: piasa

the source comments are up to over 4k!


14 posted on 02/18/2015 8:25:53 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: Prospero

IS’s strict adherence to Islamic teaching especially in regard to ushering in the end of the world which equals the beginning of worldwide Islam, is what is attracting so many muslims from around the world to it’s ranks.

They want battle, they want death, but not suicide. Engaging them on the battle field will increase their ranks. Utterly destroying them with mass bombing them all is the only way to remove them. Piecemeal battles will make them stronger. Caliphate must be removed by leaving them no land to establish a caliphate in.

What I take away from this article is why they are so attract to muslims who are joining them in large numbers from around the world. The current approach and military efforts against them is only making them stronger and larger.


15 posted on 02/18/2015 8:28:31 AM PST by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: free_life
There is a simple solution to ISIS, but it's definitely not PC.
16 posted on 02/18/2015 9:05:43 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Shwarzenkaiser: fasionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: free_life

Very good article, particulalrly in light of the source.


17 posted on 02/18/2015 7:52:09 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (There is only one party, the uniparty, and corruption is its credo.)
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To: free_life
An excellent article, and thanks for posting. If it has been posted before I missed it.

Astonishing given the source, which I had pretty much relegated to the lurid superficiality of the New York publishing wasteland.

The author's opinion is that the best strategy is containment and patience, and there is a good case to be made for that, because this particular manifestation of radical Islam has pretensions to empire and so is vulnerable to simple loss of territory. Kirkuk, Mosul, and points north to Kurdistan are obvious targets, and recent activities by the Kurds seem to indicate that somebody is pursuing that line of approach. ISIS has, with its Sunni tribal allies, pushed east to the Ramadi province, which is unlikely to effect any prophesied Armageddon in Syria. Here Sunni and Shi'a are again colliding as they have for nearly 1400 years. It's vital strategic territory but it doesn't represent any end game.

It is is west, in Syria, where the full folly of the 0bama administration's meddling has most harmed the cause of peace in the region. They want to fight us there, the U.S. specifically, the West generally. If we choose to engage it will not be on the order of any limited commitment - they'll be treating that as a long-desired endgame. If we engage there it will be a war of annihilation, and we'd better realize that before we commit to it.

With a defeat this thing can be popped like a balloon - it is inherently vulnerable to a setback, which feeds the all-in style of its more passionate converts. However, it is likely not to the advantage of al Qaeda to allow a complete defeat, simply a humbling, and one can easily see an alliance of rivals there. We'd better be ready for that as well.

Would-be Mahdis have been beaten before, notably in the Sudan, and their movements collapse when they are. The U.S. may have a long-term strategic interest in preventing this from going Nazi Germany, but at the moment the principal threat is regional. That could change.

18 posted on 02/18/2015 8:56:34 PM PST by Billthedrill
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