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Why the 2016 Republican nominee is likely to be chosen by the blue states
blogs.reuters.com ^ | 2/17/15 | Bill Schneider

Posted on 02/17/2015 9:19:19 AM PST by cotton1706

President Richard M. Nixon once advised his fellow Republicans, “Run to the right in the primary election, and then run to the center in the general election.” That advice may now be backward.

Today, relatively moderate contenders are more likely to win nominations. Then they move away from the center to rally the base in the general election. The new rule is: “Unite the party and divide the voters.”

Former Florida Governor Jeb Bush says he won’t pander to the conservative base to win the Republican nomination. Bush told a meeting of chief executives in December, “Lose the primary to win the general without violating your principles.” In other words, run as who you are.

Of course, you do have to win the primary to be able to run in the general. Can a centrist candidate do that? Neither Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.) in 2008 nor Mitt Romney in 2012 was a favorite of conservatives. How did they unite the party? Both chose running mates to their right. Strong hostility to Barack Obama helped solidify conservatives’ support.

In the New York Times, Nate Cohn has written about “the surprising power of blue-state Republicans” in the nominating process. He explains that Republicans from states that Obama won (i.e., blue states) are “all but extinct in Washington, since their candidates lose general elections to Democrats.” But “blue-state Republicans still possess the delegates, voters and resources to decide the nomination.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections
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1 posted on 02/17/2015 9:19:19 AM PST by cotton1706
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2 posted on 02/17/2015 9:20:19 AM PST by MtnMan101
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To: cotton1706

They have stacked the deck more over the years. Last time, all the more conservative states were proportional, while the more liberal were winner take all. No Conservative could pick up enough delegates to make it close, or they would make progress and some state like Michigan or Illinois would slam the Establishment guy back to the top.


3 posted on 02/17/2015 9:23:58 AM PST by Ingtar (Is this the Ebola and rumors of Ebola mentioned in the Bible?)
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To: MtnMan101
Former Florida Governor Jeb Bush says he won’t pander to the conservative base to win the Republican nomination

And in return the conservative base won't vote for him....and another Marxist will be elected therefore....farewell America.

4 posted on 02/17/2015 9:33:33 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: cotton1706

While states like CA, NY, Il, PA are reliably blue in general elections, they still have a vote in GOP primaries. Every state counts in presidential primary elections.

Since I live in CA and our primary is in June, it is usually settled long before I get to vote in the primary.


5 posted on 02/17/2015 9:34:26 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: cotton1706

I thought this old commie died a long time ago. He is seventy and looks even older.


6 posted on 02/17/2015 9:34:56 AM PST by Luke21
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To: cotton1706

LibRATs love them some open republican primaries. It’s like free cheese.


7 posted on 02/17/2015 9:39:01 AM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Ingtar

“or they would make progress and some state like Michigan or Illinois would slam the Establishment guy back to the top.”

Yep, because MI and IL are exactly the same.

Both controlled 100% by Republicans, both are RTW, both allow everyone to openly carry handguns with no permits required, and both have conservatives solidly in control of the state courts.


8 posted on 02/17/2015 9:48:16 AM PST by Beagle8U (NOTICE : Unattended children will be given Coffee and a Free Puppy.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
I've said it before and I'll say it again. If the conservatives would spend the same energy getting the delegate allocation method changed as they do opposing the particular RINO flavor picked by big money, we could actually win.

Neither is the big problem the order of the primaries, the marathon structure or anything of the sort so much as it is the allocation of delegates.

A fairer system would award:

  1. One fifth of the delegates based on electoral vote value.
  2. One fifth of the delegates based on GOP congressmen, U.S. Senators, governor and control of state legislatures.
  3. Three-fifths of the delegates based on the ability of the state to actually deliver electoral votes to the GOP presidential ticket in November.

    And, yes, Wyoming might actually end up with more delegates than Massachusetts under this formula. If it is unfair, then it is unfair to Wyoming, which has delivered 12 of 12 possible electoral votes to the GOP ticket over the last four election cycles whereas Massachusetts has deliverd exactly 0.


9 posted on 02/17/2015 9:51:26 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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I might take it a step further. I would not necessarily mind going back to the idea of “brokered” conventions and smoke filled rooms-—as long as isn’t pot.


10 posted on 02/17/2015 9:54:43 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: cotton1706; onyx; BenLurkin; Finny; Jane Long; Colonel_Flagg; RKBA Democrat; GraceG; ...
The GOP could have changed this years ago, the State that has the Highest Percentage of Republican Voters in the last Presidential elections SHOULD be the First Primary State.

But instead we get Iowa-BLUE STATE!

Then New Hampshire-BLUE STATE!

To Choose our Candidates.

But no, The GOP loves the Dems choosing the candidates, it is a major peg of the Uniparty.

11 posted on 02/17/2015 10:06:09 AM PST by KC_Lion (The Issue is Not The Issue, The Issue is The Revolution.)
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Democrats cross over in the Red Hampshire GOP primary to elect who they feel is the WEAKEST Republican candidate so their TRUE candidate has an easier time in the general. The Red Hampshire primary should be LAST.


12 posted on 02/17/2015 10:27:28 AM PST by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.com)
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To: cotton1706

Republicans follow a proven formula of allowing solidly democrat states - especially in the Northeast - to hold the early primaries so that the more “moderate” i.e. liberal candidates build up an early lead in delegates.


13 posted on 02/17/2015 10:31:21 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: cotton1706
This is WHY ALL States need CLOSED PRIMARIES
and a minimum of 6 months advanced registration on the books BEFORE you can vote in the Primary !
14 posted on 02/17/2015 10:34:20 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

Blue states also tend to be winner take all states, so a liberal walks away with everything and a conservative walks away with nothing.

In a red, winner-take-percentage state, the liberal walks away with at least a few votes.


15 posted on 02/17/2015 10:35:51 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: KC_Lion

The GOPe also likes open primaries and now we are going to have millions of foreign illegal aliens able to vote


16 posted on 02/17/2015 12:10:52 PM PST by GeronL
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To: cotton1706

Well .. since the 2014 election, there are MORE RED states than they are blue .. and that means .. R Gov; R state houses.

So .. they’re dreaming if they believe all these R states are going to vote for Jeb Bush (who is the person they want).

But .. they’re not going to get their wish .. and I keep wondering if Jeb will even make it through the debates; especially against Walker and Cruz.


17 posted on 02/17/2015 12:20:35 PM PST by CyberAnt ("The hope and changey stuff did not work, even a smidgen.")
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To: KC_Lion

The GOPe is just happy to be at the prom....they don’t give a flip if they hold a majority. In fact, they act like they PREFER to stay the (fat and happy) minority...as long as their DC perks stay the same :(


18 posted on 02/17/2015 12:37:57 PM PST by Jane Long ("And when thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek")
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To: Beagle8U

And both have milquetoast Republicans in charge of the party.


19 posted on 02/17/2015 1:23:58 PM PST by Ingtar (Is this the Ebola and rumors of Ebola mentioned in the Bible?)
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To: Ingtar

MI governor is a RINO, but the rest in control of the state aren’t.


20 posted on 02/17/2015 1:31:30 PM PST by Beagle8U (NOTICE : Unattended children will be given Coffee and a Free Puppy.)
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