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How to save Islam from the Islamists
Spectator ^ | January 17, 2015 | Qanta Ahmed

Posted on 01/19/2015 11:16:43 AM PST by nuconvert

It's time for Muslims to take a stand. Egypt may be showing the way

The terror attack in Paris last week represents Islamism’s most explicit declaration of war on free society. Non-Muslims were slaughtered in a non-Muslim country to avenge a so-called crime against a blasphemy law that is not even Islamic — but merely Islamist. If there’s any blasphemy here, it’s that of Islamism itself against my religion, Islam.

At last, on New Year’s Day, the president of Egypt, Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, did what no other leader of the Muslim world has done to date: he named Islam’s real enemy. In a gathering of religious clerics at Cairo’s ancient Al Azhar University, he called for the rescue of Islam from ‘ideology’.

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Failing to call Islamism by its name (a failure of which Barack Obama is, alas, guilty) guarantees defeat. The idea of a war between general Islam and the West is exactly the outcome Islamists seek. Failing to name Islamism out of political correctness, fear or stupidity is the ultimate Islamophobic act. What is seen, often sincerely, as a desire not to offend has only allowed Islamists to thrive within our democracies as they plot their extinction.

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alsisi; islam; islamism; islamists; qantaahmed
Worth the read. Hope people take the time to read it
1 posted on 01/19/2015 11:16:44 AM PST by nuconvert
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To: AdmSmith; Valin; Eurotwit

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2 posted on 01/19/2015 11:18:31 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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video link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bbshln8DKs


3 posted on 01/19/2015 11:19:41 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

Interesting. Maybe there are good, peaceful Muslims? And if this person is an example of one she certainly does NOT think like our president.

What does that make our president?


4 posted on 01/19/2015 11:21:15 AM PST by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: nuconvert
Hope people take the time to read it

So do I. I've bookmarked it.

5 posted on 01/19/2015 11:25:20 AM PST by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: ryan71

“What does that make our president?”

A Marxist


6 posted on 01/19/2015 11:27:57 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

Discussions in western, english language press about what Islam “needs to do” is simply delusional, propagandistic, self-comfort.

Islam has no central authority which can make any changes. The only common tradition is the Koran. Shia and Sunni can’t even agree on the Hadith. Imams, Mullahs, Ayatollahs or other “teachers” from across the Muslim world can arrive at their position through hundreds of religious or political routes or simply through force of personality.

Do not talk to Westerners about “reform.” If you want to talk “reform” go to Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. See how it works out.

The West can only act to protect itself from malign political/religious influences of Islam.


7 posted on 01/19/2015 11:30:22 AM PST by PGR88
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To: nuconvert

Any reasonable and sane man who has read the koran and hadditha has learned enough to know islam is and has been a murderous insane system of total tyranny.

There’s no room in it for a reformation that can live peaceably along any other civilization. So long as the koran exists degenerates will find in it justification for their inhuman acts.

It needs to be vanquished and erased by all means at hand, period.


8 posted on 01/19/2015 11:31:24 AM PST by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: nuconvert
These so called Islamic apologists speak for themselves. The Quran, which they do not follow, speaks for all Muslims...

Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"

Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.


The Quran promoting violence on the unbeliever...
9 posted on 01/19/2015 11:31:47 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Covenantor
Islam, like all religions, has an amazing ability to transform people into the image of the "one who inspired it"...


10 posted on 01/19/2015 11:44:01 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: nuconvert

Can’t be done. Several hundred years ago, when Islamic philosophers were expanding their minds with new ideas, they were subsequently killed. Since then there has been no deviation from the Koran.


11 posted on 01/19/2015 11:45:46 AM PST by Parmy
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To: nuconvert

nuconvert, are you truly a new convert? If so, what are you a new convert to?


12 posted on 01/19/2015 11:46:09 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: ryan71
Interesting. Maybe there are good, peaceful Muslims?

Islam is shot through with heretics and she is one of them.

Heretics just don't want to follow the religion as written in the Koran and follow Muhammads examples set in the Hadiths.
Islam is a violent religion taking the violence out on non-believers.

Some people born into Islam just can't adapt themselves to this violence and try to change the religion to accommodate their more peaceful leanings.That can prove to be fatal in that violent belief system.

The Muslim fundamentalists know what to do with these traitors to the religion, and what to do to us Infidels. -tom

13 posted on 01/19/2015 11:54:15 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse U.S. citizens and Americans. They are not necessarily the same. -tom)
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To: ryan71

Is she, or is she not talking taqiyyah?

That’s always in the back of my mind when I hear a Muslim woman explain the shortfalls of her religion.

It is the same when I listen to the words of a ‘peaceful’ or ‘moderate’ male Muslim.

The fact that Islam allows to use of taqiyyah when communicating with a non-Muslim makes every Muslim suspect.


14 posted on 01/19/2015 11:55:05 AM PST by 353FMG
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To: nuconvert

Why would you want to save a demonic cult that enslaves its adherants and blinds them to the truth?


15 posted on 01/19/2015 11:55:51 AM PST by Justice
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To: nuconvert
Saving Islam from Islamists is like:

Seriously, in the words of the Tick...

"You know, evil comes in many forms, be it a man-eating cow or Joseph Stalin. But you can't let the package hide the pudding. Evil is just plain bad. You don't cotton to it. You gotta smack it on the nose with the rolled up newspaper of goodness. Bad dog! Bad dog!"


16 posted on 01/19/2015 12:11:33 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: nuconvert
How are they going to save Islam from Mohammed?

The Mohammed Factor

If you condemn murder you condemn Mohammed.

If you condemn thievery you condemn Mohammed.

If you condemn rape you condemn Mohammed.

If you condemn pedophilia you condemn Mohammed.

If you condemn terrorism you condemn Mohammed.

If you condemn Mohammed you condemn Islam.

17 posted on 01/19/2015 12:32:56 PM PST by TigersEye (ISIS is the tip of the spear. The spear is Islam.)
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To: nuconvert

Yep he is a marxist first and muslim sympathizer second. However he uses the muslim thing to add chaos and help move the marxist thing along


18 posted on 01/19/2015 12:53:41 PM PST by plain talk
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To: ryan71

Islam has needed a reformation for the last 300 years! Get rid of the Bloodly death to Infidels! Junk. If Allah is so great and merciful he would not be deminished by a few jokes or cartoons. He might laugh and even forgive. Mohammad did marry a 9 year old daughter of his good friend—but he loved her and she was the only one of his wives who gave hin any children. They prayed together. She never wore a veil. She could speak her mind to Mohammed. Old Mo would not approve of all the things people do in his name.


19 posted on 01/19/2015 12:59:56 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: nuconvert
I've been following Islam a long time. They're three schools of thought on how to fix Islam. (I can list concepts over 1400 years that have failed if someone asks.)

1. Nixon's approach which was accepted by Europe and most of the world. Nixon knew Islam very well but thought if we bring Muslims in and live with us Muslims will see how we live and they will help bring change to Islam. (No comet needed on this.)

2. Possibility addition to the first. Allow Islam to make the change on their own by twisting what Islam really is and make people believe it is something it isn't. Which is what this article is about and it is a very twisted version of what Islam has been. Which this exact twisting of Islam was attempted by Averroes 900 years ago, which partially worked for a while. As a result it brought about the golden age of Islam (which i agree it wasn't really golden.)

3. Indonesia is the ONLY sharia based country in the world that doesn't have apostasy laws on their books. This was done over a trade deal in the 1960's. Today two million Muslims are leaving Islam per year in Indonesia. It's a slow process but in my opinion our best option.

20 posted on 01/19/2015 1:27:30 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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