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Posted on 12/01/2014 6:59:40 PM PST by SeekAndFind
Via the Daily Caller, there’s a caveat here but I’m not sure why. First Jon Karl asks whether Obama would veto a single bill that funds the entire government for 12 months but specifically blocks him from carrying out executive amnesty. Yup, sure would, says Josh Earnest. Okay, says Karl, but what if Republicans pass a bill that funds the entire government for 12 months except for Homeland Security, the agency tasked with implementing amnesty, which would be funded on a short-term basis only until O rescinds his executive order? Earnest is noncommittal about that one. That idea, the so-called “CROmnibus,” is indeed being kicked around by GOP leaders. Which makes sense: Republicans want to play hardball with amnesty funding but without defunding the entire government, lest they be blamed for a new shutdown. The obvious solution is to fund most of it and instead play hardball with just DHS, on the assumption that most of the public won’t care about that. Perfectly logical for the GOP to consider that approach.
Is it logical for Obama to consider it, though? His goal is to pressure the GOP into funding his amnesty; his leverage is public perceptions that if government can’t function because it’s not getting the money it needs, it must be the damned Republicans’ fault. If he agrees to the CROmnibus plan, which would require him to sign a bill funding all of the government except DHS for 12 months, he reduces his leverage. Logically, it seems, if he’s willing to veto a single omnibus funding bill on grounds that it hurts his amnesty, he should be willing to veto two separate bills (one short-term bill for DHS and a longer-term bill for everything else) that seek to achieve the same purpose.
If Earnest is hedging here, and he is, it must be that even Democrats are nervous about the politics of this. Yes, granted, without knowing the details, many more people are reflexively inclined to blame Republicans for any government shutdown than they are to blame Obama. But O refusing to sign a bill that funded most of the government, no strings attached, because of a separate fight over immigration could be a hard sell for lefties. And not just in the short term: If, for once, it’s the left that suffers a backlash from a shutdown, it might make Democrats skittish about playing hardball again over funding in the future. That’s one of the many costs imposed by Obama’s amnesty power grab — not only does it set an alarming new precedent for executive power, but it puts both parties in seldom traveled political territory. Immigration politics are unpredictable even in normal times. What happens when you toss a crisis over separation of powers into the mix?
That's what Slick did to them in 1995/6. Did a long, warm-and-fuzzy face-to-face meeting about conciliating all differences with Newt and Dole -- and then walked right out into a presser at which he planted a huge axe in both their heads, damned them all to hell, and pointed the finger.
The press loved it and went with it 150%, hating on Newtie and Old Man Bob to their hearts' content.
Note that the term "hater" was coined by a TIME Magazine ink-stained slut who invented the term "Clinton hater" to defame the conservative voters who sent the Class of 1994 to Congress. She did so during the ninth month of the War of Journalistic Demonization (of Republicans) that began six weeks after the 1994 election and lasted until Clinton's second inauguration, which is exactly what the infowar was launched to secure.
Really? How? The MSM will lie volubly about them the whole time, turning up the rhetoric and the temperature as needed to steal and keep the limelight, thereby determining the outcome of the contest by "ball control" politics, something they've been doing since about 1932.
If he were to shut down federal pork to state and local governments, he’d probably win.
0bama chooses to ignore the clear message that was sent him by the voters in the last election. It’s time for the GOP to kick some scrawny ass.
Yes, when the government shutdown occurred in October 2013, the Republicans (unjustly, in my opinion) received almost exclusive blame for the shutdown, thanks to a left-leaning MSM. But I am not at all certain that this scenario would repeat itself. The details, this time, are not quite the same.
GOPe excuse, but but we control 1/2 of 1/3 of the branches. Now they control 2/3 yet they looking for excuses to do nothing
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There can only be a government shutdown if the GOP continues to play the Democrat game of appropriating funds in one giant continuing resolution. If the GOP will return to the historical appropriations process, passing individual appropriations for each department and sending the individual bills to the President, the game changes. For example the President can shut down the Department of Labor with a veto, or not, when he receives dozens of individual bills over time.
The current process of waiting to the last minute and sending over one giant spending bill with only days to go before the government runs out of money plays into the goverment shutdown spin game. Send fifty individual bills over months in advance and the game changes. The people will see the President as an obstructionist if he vetoes 50 individual bills over a period of 2 to 3 months and will tire of the farce no matter how the press spins it.
Aoooo,
Shut the damned worthless federal gub mint down.
Worthless bunch of leaches for the most part.
There he goes, again---thwarting the will of the people.
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FREEPER EDWIN LAND INSIGHTFULLY POSTED: Obama has established that it is okay for the president to overreach.
Ergo, then it's okay for Congress to overreach.
Obama's temporary amnesty E/O requires temporary suspension of the rule. That could include Congress passing laws without the president signing off on it.
The Congress should thoughtfully remind Obama that the Congress---and we Americans---can also say, “We have been patient.”
Obama should also be reminded----our constitution specifically requires that the branches be "co-equal."
It then follows, that if Obama grabs more power, then the Congress can respond in a "co-equal" manner.
Because "THE PRESIDENT SAID" he's encouraging illegals hiding in the shadows---including criminals----to come forward to fill out APPLICATIONS for temporary residency.
The "compassionate" Obama govt will record all their information including documents from their homelands: copies of their matricular cards, passports, names of family members, number of children, places of residence in the USA, as well as in their homelands, including full biometrics, fingerprints, DNA etc. etc. etc.....
"THE PRESIDENT SAID" illegals should give federal operatives and agencies all their relevant info so that 5 million illegals "could come out of the shadows and stay." (sniffle)
All that info can be data-mined w/ existing federal and state info. There we will find:
Multiple identities,
voting registrations,
multiple SS nos, multiple drivers' licenses,
multiple EBT cards,
EITC applications,
real estate holdings here, and in their homelands,
investment accounts,
American Express platinum cards,
bank accounts,
bank cards,
debit cards,
wire-transfers to offshore banks,
memberships in violent organizations advocating the overthrow of the US govt.......
etc, etc, etc, and so on and forth, ad infinitum, ad nauseaum.
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Republicans should ask Obama---does he really want to fund illegals who are murderers, rapists, pedophiles, thieves and drug dealers, and those who are advocating the overthrow of the US govt?
Since close to 70% of the People polled were against his amnesty decree, this should be a win-win situation for the Repubs - “if they only had a brain...and a spine...and a sense of duty to the People...”
The GOP won’t, because there will be media filming schools shutting down, snowy roads remaining unplowed, and families turned away from Yellowstone because of the mean old GOP.
That and they want the amnesty as much as Obama does.
They’re going to put out a sternly worded resolution.
That’ll teach him !
The GOPe would allow Obama to publicly execute them in the middle of Pennsylvania Ave. if it meant he wouldn’t shut down the government.
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