Posted on 09/09/2014 9:52:55 AM PDT by Kaslin
Some, SURE! But we need all. Again, who is paying the bill?
Well, so far you haven’t really convinced me your costs would be that much more. Start there and you may make some headway.
How can you guys push forward that kind of nonsense with a straight face ?
“Russia is far more capable of keeping that region secure for civilization.”
Russia and civilization are two totally different concepts.
The schools in this area have a waiting list to get into the welding programs. The programs are growing fast. Eagle Ford, Permian along with many others growing the demand for oil/gas workers. Is this really news to you?
Easier said than done. The facilities to load and unload those CNG ships are expensive. Not to mention a nice tempting target.
They take a bit to build, and there are few of them now. Europe allowed themselves to become beholden to Russia, and now have very few options. If they make to much noise, European industry shuts downs (No gas, no power, no factories).
In the long run, Russia has a strategic goal to be 100% self sufficient.
This only plays to their goals.
Now, it may break them, but they are not doing this in a huff. It plays to their goals.
If you believe oil/gas companies are not interested in making more money, and don't look at cash flow for projects costing billions of dollars, I don't think you are going to be convinced by me.
I once worked a oil field production facility where every barrel of oil had a 40% split with the foreign government for oil produced after January 1, 1994. Any barrel produced before that had 0% government take. We designed for 120,000 barrels per day. We started flowing months early, although not at full flow.
I've been part of emergency rebuilds where not only the construction but the engineering and design work 24/7 for half a year. If you think I don't understand rush projects, you are mistaken.
Have a great day, God Bless.
CNG is not so expensive, but has reduced volume of gas compared to LNG. Most of our planned Natural Gas export terminals are LNG. We don't have any operational yet. They are mostly existing LNG import terminals that haven't built the Liquefaction units yet.
There is some CNG planned, not sure if any are operational yet, but they move less volume and the ships are rare.
We had a tiny LNG export out of Alaska for decades but it closed down a few years ago with the reduced natural gas production in the Cook Inlet area.
I meant LNG, but typed CNG because of a project I am working on now uses compressed NG. Brain fart.
The technology for LNG shipping exists. When I last played in the energy field we had some plans for it, but it was canceled when gas got cheap.
My favorite design was a tanker that had what looked like an arrangement of giant “eggs” on the deck for shipping. We were working on getting the LNG to them, not from the ships, so I didn’t get much of an insight into the ships themselves.
From there, I misspent some time in the ethanol market marking some of the best vodka on the market. Sadly, we didn’t have the marketing to capitalize on it.
Thank you. Thackney has been saying the same thing.
Absolutely. These ships have been in service for decades. I recently learned about CNG ships using compartments of coiled "tubing".
“CNG ships are expensive. Not to mention a nice tempting target.”
I bet de would blowed up real good.
Thank you for the discussion Thackney. I’m sure it probably frustrates you do debate an issue like this with someone not in the industry. I appreciate the arguments you made. I don’t have all the answers. It is people like you that I need to help come up with them.
It may be entirely childish to say it, but I’m going to say it anyway. Where there is a will, there is a way.
Simply denying that anything could be done, and that finances could never be managed to break even, doesn’t cut it for me.
We have 25% of our workforce out of work right now. We have idle manpower out the Kazoo.
Take care. I appreciate the cordial nature of your comments.
LOL! One of my coworkers played with those. Like I said, I didn’t deal with the ship side other than getting the stuff “to” them, but I do remember the designs were pretty cool. Big issue is that you need to have it segmented so they can pop off one section, and keep integrity on the others. So there are tons of gas meters, pop offs, back flows, etc.
I don’t know what they do now, but he said that they were investigating using stacks of tanks instead of a dedicated ship. The benefit was that older freight tankers could retrofitted, but the cost was higher because you needed specialized containers, and multiples of them them.
You know, I should call him. It has been a number of years since we talked and I bet he has some rather interesting insight into this.
Not as fancy as you think. Liquid NG is just that, a liquid. So no Hollywood kabooms.
Still you don’t want to be anywhere near them if they go. Once the pressure drops, it is no longer liquid gas. Things get rather interesting. There are a number of Youtube videos showing what happens.
I know that is true. I also know in Texas, North Dakota and some other locations they cannot get enough help for many jobs. Some including driving a truck and they will train, but they need to pass the drug test.
Take care. I appreciate the cordial nature of your comments.
Thank you for that. I try but sometime my frustration shows through. It did here somewhat.
Where there is a will, there is a way.
I do agree with that. I think the oil/gas industry has shown that many times over, since the will is making money.
Simply denying that anything could be done, and that finances could never be managed to break even, doesn’t cut it for me.
When we both have a couple spare months, we can go through the budgeting requirements for a $7 billion dollar, 8 year project like an LNG export terminal. Keep in mind, it doesn't do any good to get the concrete poured faster if the cryogenic pumps, medium voltage motors and pressurized vessels all arrive at the "normal" times.
Schedules on these projects are a BIG deal. Literally million or more dollars are spent just pushing schedule.
Cheers!
Thackney, I believe there is one crucial bit of information you neglected to be forthcoming about. I’m not going to start this all over again, but we both know there is a sector out there that could be very useful to the industry, if the industry really wanted to do the right thing here.
I suspect you know exactly what I’m talking about.
Good informative posts.
I’ve been reading about the expansion of natural gas exports via pipeline to Mexico for the past few months, would it make more economic sense to build an LNG terminal south of the border for export to Europe?
LNG won't even ignite. It first has to be vaporized then diluted with air down to a 15% concentration for ignition.
Once the pressure drops, it is no longer liquid gas.
No, LNG is not really pressurized. "Normal" temperatures are still too hot to compress it into a liquid. The critical temperature of methane is -117°F; above that no amount of pressure will liquefy it.
Since compressing a gas also adds heat, it makes using pressure doubly difficult to liquefy methane. That is why it is done near atmospheric pressures by reducing temperature to -260 °F
Nope.
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