Posted on 09/03/2014 1:38:31 PM PDT by Zakeet
Great opportunity for a knee to the groin when someone pulls you in like that. Great equalizer for the size disparity.
Did Charles Johnson who sued get to actually look at his record or was just told by some hack?
Question: Did Brown have serious felony convictions on his record before Holder came to town? Any time at all before the incident?
It’s been over 30 years ago, but I used to work for the Missouri Division of Youth Services. If you were judged to be a juvenile the only thing you were really judged guilty or innocent of was ‘delinquency’. Murder, rape, breaking windows or ‘being out of control’ all carried the same sentence. It sounds like it hasn’t changed much. I had murderers and rapists doing the same time as car thieves. All had to be released and their records expunged on their 18th birthdays.
Another little ‘game’ the system played was not bothering to respond to new charges against someone we had released—he would held in violation of his release and returned to our center. No new charges would be on his official record. One little rapist raped a 4 year old girl while on release. The rapist was completely protected by the system. The girl’s father wasn’t allowed to know his name or what the system planned to do with him. No hearing, no nothing.
But she deliberately fails to address if he had any Class C Felonies, Class D Felonies, Class A, Class B or Class C Misdemeanors. Which under Missouri Criminal Laws are very significant crimes punishable by very significant sentences - as the below excerpted outline from missouri-criminal-defense.com makes quite clear: The maximum penalties for each offense are as follows: According to Missouri Criminal Laws (Section 557), Offenses are broken down and classified into the following categories, ranked from most serious to less serious:
Class
Penalties
Example Charges
Class A Felony
Maximum Penalty: Death, life imprisonment, imprisonment for 10-30 years.
Examples of Class A felonies include second degree murder, first degree robbery.
Class B Felony
Maximum Penalty: imprisonment for 5 to 15 years.
Examples of Class B felonies include voluntary manslaughter, 2nd degree robbery, 1st degree burglary.
Class C Felony
Maximum Penalty: imprisonment for up to 7 years, fines up to $5000.
Examples of Class C felonies include involuntary manslaughter, Stealing (valued $500-$25000) and second degree assault.
Class D Felony
Maximum Penalty: imprisonment for up to 4 years & Fine up to $5000, or twice the amount of the offender's gain, up to $20,000.
Examples of Class D felonies include passing a bad check / fraud, other forms of fraud.
Class A Misdemeanor
Maximum Penalty: up to 1 year in jail, and a fine of up to $1000.
Examples of class A misdemeanors include fraud / fraudulent use of a credit card / device, if the value is less that $150, passing bad checks under $500, and 3rd degree assault.
Class B Misdemeanor
Maximum Penalty: From 30 days up to six months in jail, and a fine of up to $500.
Examples of Class B misdemeanors include a First (1st) offense DWI, and first degree trespass.
Class C Misdemeanor
Maximum Penalty: up to 15 days in jail, and a fine of up to $300.
Examples are driving with excessive blood alcohol content, 1st offense.
He might have been 'adjuicated' as a 'Youthful Offender', with conditional discharge (no future arrests).
An adjudication is a legal court determination, which could be 'erased' upon reaching his 18th birthday ( as though it never existed).
You took the words out of my mouth... by what are they defining “serious felony convictions”? Isn’t that sort of the the whole point behind the difference between misdemeanor and felony?
The guy who sued for the records stated in his complaint that there were two sources, a federal and a local LEO, who said that there was a second degree murder in his juvey records.
He didn’t say that it was a “conviction.”
And how is the lawyer for the family court allowed to disclose whether Brown had convictions or not prior to Brown’s records being unsealed? Isn’t she in violation of the law by speaking about what is in them prior to unsealing?
Somewhat akin to being “only slightly pregnant”....
How about any not so serious (yeah, whatever) types of felonies and was he ever listed as a suspect?
Now, now, you know the gentle giant was a square dance fan and was merely showing the store owner how to do-si-do and swing your partner.
and what were charges against him that were just dropped? The courts calendars get crowded, and they often drop cases just to relieve the poor judges’ calendars. (yes, that “poor judges” is mean to be sarcastic)
Thank you, Toon, for the parsing lessons ... how about serious felony charges pled down to non-serious felonies?
What is the story between the lines?
Convictions aren’t the same as arrests. The difference is of personal importance to me ;-)
So his felony convictions were still in court.
Remember the cops wouldn’t charge St. Skittles so his record was clean. Never mind the cops were called in how many times on him. They wouldn’t even charge him when they found a baggie with traces of mj in it, women’s jewelry and a screw driver in his backpack when they knew there had been break ins in the neighborhood. If these two hadn’t had free passes, they might have learned a lesson and become productive citizens instead of 6 feet under.
Harry: So, Ms. Moore, would you tell us about your most important felony arrest?
Kate Moore: I've never made a felony arrest.
Harry: (sighing) OK, then tell us about your most important misdemeanor arrest
Moore: I've never made...any arrest...
Callahan: Then Ms. Moore what the hell makes you think you're qualified to become an inspector?
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