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Police benefit from military gear; critics fear it could alter tactics
Pioneer Press ^ | 8-23-14 | Mara H. Gottfried and C.J. Sinner

Posted on 08/25/2014 7:19:37 AM PDT by TurboZamboni

Minnesota law enforcement agencies have nearly $10 million worth of military surplus equipment, an amount that has worried some people who say police have strayed from their civilian roots.

Through a program to transfer surplus military gear to local law enforcement agencies, Minnesota departments have received about 3,300 weapons, 40 tactical vehicles and 40 pairs of night-vision goggles.

The U.S. Defense Department's 1033 program has been around for decades, though it's been in the spotlight after racially charged unrest in Ferguson, Mo., after a white police officer fatally shot an unarmed black teenager. The initial police reaction to the protests there drew attention to the militarization of local police departments; critics argue that the heavily armed police presence fueled the tension.

The White House is conducting a review of programs that have equipped local police departments with military gear from the Pentagon, urged by President Barack Obama's call for more separation between the nation's armed forces and civilian law enforcement.

(Excerpt) Read more at twincities.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: 1033; dod; military; mrap; police
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1 posted on 08/25/2014 7:19:37 AM PDT by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni

When you got a hammer the whole world looks like a nail.


2 posted on 08/25/2014 7:21:17 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: mountainlion
Watchdog has it at $25 million, not 10

Under the federal government’s 1033 Surplus Equipment Program, more than $25 million in military surplus weapons, vehicles and gear has been scooped by 325 Minnesota local police departments and 85 county sheriff departments. Several state agencies also participate, including the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, Minnesota Department of Public Safety and Minnesota State Patrol.

http://watchdog.org/149743/grenade-launchers-to-bandages-in-25-million-of-military-surplus-to-mn-police/

3 posted on 08/25/2014 7:22:15 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: mountainlion

Beat me to it by half a minute or so!


4 posted on 08/25/2014 7:22:23 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: TurboZamboni

COULD alter tactics?


5 posted on 08/25/2014 7:22:59 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: TurboZamboni
...after a white police officer fatally shot an unarmed black teenager.

Pioneer Press (whoever they are) is repeating the lie. When two individuals are fighting to get a weapon BOTH are deemed to be in possession of the weapon. Hence, Brown was ARMED.

 

6 posted on 08/25/2014 7:24:55 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: TurboZamboni
Don't care if it benefits the police. Does it benefit citizens?

/johnny

7 posted on 08/25/2014 7:25:41 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: WayneS

So military weapons, training, tactics, tanks and experience only raises the possibility that tactics will change?

What does it take to make it certain? A pack of steroids?


8 posted on 08/25/2014 7:26:02 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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9 posted on 08/25/2014 7:34:07 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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St. Paul police, the Ramsey County sheriff's office, the Minnesota State Patrol and other agencies say the M16s have been modified and can no longer be used as automatic weapons; they are now AR-15s, police say, a type of rifle that members of the public could buy at a sporting-goods store. They are semi-automatic weapons, meaning you have to press the trigger for each bullet to come out of the gun.

That's not the media approved definition of a privately owned, fully automatic, bottomless magazine, black colored assault rifle.

10 posted on 08/25/2014 7:36:13 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Don't care if it benefits the police. Does it benefit citizens?

The government isn't there to benefit the citizens, nor do the police exist for the benefit of the citizens. If it benefits the police, then who cares about the citizens:

"To Extort and Intimidate"

11 posted on 08/25/2014 7:42:06 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: TurboZamboni
...after a white police officer fatally shot an unarmed black teenager.

They left out "...in broad daylight..."

/s

12 posted on 08/25/2014 7:50:03 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: TurboZamboni

Okay. The police “benefit”. But, how does the public benefit? Please advise.


13 posted on 08/25/2014 7:50:24 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama is actually a narco-terrorist. Consider that charge carefully.)
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To: mountainlion

“When you got a hammer the whole world looks like a nail.”

You can’t steal my response because I’m saying it too. When you got a hammer the whole world looks like a nail.

All those military toys change their tactics. Read the news. It takes practically nothing for them to decide a warrant is “high risk” and bust somebodies door with a SWAT team without trying any other option first.


14 posted on 08/25/2014 7:50:40 AM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: TurboZamboni

Fact is: Obama ordered all that “military material” turned over to cops...so that he and his “Brown Shirts” could remain in power....if the sheeple rose up against them!!! Another Obama...”Hitler” game!!!


15 posted on 08/25/2014 7:55:06 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!.)
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To: WayneS

And they forgot to point out that a teenager is just a child.


16 posted on 08/25/2014 7:59:29 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: TurboZamboni
I looked up one of my local agencies.

Among many of the items are over 40 bayonets with scabbards.

I have a hard time understanding why a civil police agency would need military bayonets.

Also, they received an A-rat field kitchen.

Now, arguably, it would come in handy during mass casualty situation, tornado disasters, etc...but...I submit there is not one person in this county of less than 21,000 persons that has the first clue as to how to operate an A-rat field kitchen.

They also picked up over 40 M1911 .45 pistols, nearly 100 5.56 rifles (I'm assuming in an M-16 configuration), 4 7.62 rifles (SAW...or maybe an M-14 configuration or .308 Savage) and well over one hundred night vision devices.

There was also a bunch of cold weather sleeping bags, cold weather jackets, 40 black sweatshirts in XXL, a few vehicles, to include a 48 passenger bus, lots and lots of portable chain link fencing materials and on and on.

Reading the list, which was 25 pages long, put me in mind of one of Matt Bracken's novels, wherein chain link fencing is used to corral the citizenry.

There were a few things that made sense...such as "human remains bags", I mean, why buy them commercially at some astronomical price when your goobermint is giving them away.

Dive equipment...a good idea, since this county has a very large reservoir of water that is very popular and regularly has someone drowning or otherwise having problems. But I would be very surprised if there is actually someone qualified on it that works for the agency.

But all in all, it makes me wonder just who is actually getting this stuff?

Over 500 Chemlites?

Yeah, I'm sure those are just sitting in the Sheriffs ready room, waiting for an "official" use deployment of them

More likely, they are in the pockets and bug out bags of every deputy, patrolman and their families, as well as the local flea markets.

Yes, I am convinced that it needs to be looked at very closely.

That stuff costs us taxpayers a hell of a lot of money and I don't feel good about a podunk civil police agency having access to some of what they have received.

Call me picky if you must, but I really don't think the next Mule Day parade crowds are going to have to be controlled with military style bayonets, nor is the local FOP chapter going to sponsor a Pancake day with the $190,000.00 A-rat field kitchen. And the next UFO day will not benefit from the ready availability of night vision devices.

My paranoia tells me that some rat-faced deputy is sitting across from my home, now, with a state-of-the-art night vision device, with a sniper configured 7.62 rifle next to him, all comfy in his all-weather sleeping bag and his Gortex outer wear.

More likely, his son, of Boy Scouting age, is using the equipment at the late summer Camp Out.

I don't have access to the stuff, why should they?

17 posted on 08/25/2014 8:18:03 AM PDT by OldSmaj (obama is a worthless mohametan. Impeach his ass now!)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX
Fact is: Obama ordered all that “military material” turned over to cops

Back in 1990?

18 posted on 08/25/2014 8:52:06 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: OldSmaj

What have you done to verify exactly where the stuff is being stored?


19 posted on 08/25/2014 9:02:50 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Wolfie

Nope........Obama has been feeding these equipment throughout his entire term!!!


20 posted on 08/25/2014 9:49:06 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!.)
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