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Heavy Metal: Why Ferguson has conservatives challenging military-style police
FoxNews.com ^ | August 19, 2014 | Howard Kurtz

Posted on 08/19/2014 5:28:07 AM PDT by Biggirl

The images of police in riot gear armed with heavy weaponry and tanks has at times become the alarming backdrop for the Ferguson story, with pictures that television can’t resist.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: conservatives; libertarian; libtardians; military; police
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1 posted on 08/19/2014 5:28:07 AM PDT by Biggirl
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To: Biggirl

Ferguson does not “have” this conservative challenging military style police.

I’ve been opposing the militarization of the police for about 30 years.


2 posted on 08/19/2014 5:31:36 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: Biggirl
Crime has been a conservative issue since the days that Richard Nixon ran on “law and order” and some radicals called police officers pigs.

Change the name of the FBI - which carries 'feeling of Eliot Ness= - to the CET - Chicago Enforcement Team. Then put Bill Ayers in charge.

Let's be honest about what's happening.

3 posted on 08/19/2014 5:34:00 AM PDT by GOPJ ( Looted store owners in Ferguson should to sue the city. They paid for police protection - got none)
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To: Biggirl

This might be the first time I’ve seen Americans realize they might be next instead of just thinking “hey, go ahead, kick somebody else’s ass”.


4 posted on 08/19/2014 5:35:08 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: WayneS
I’ve been opposing the militarization of the police for about 30 years.

Do you oppose militarization of "Homeland", the EPA, and Social Security? Cause those groups have their own SWAT Teams too.

5 posted on 08/19/2014 5:37:00 AM PDT by GOPJ ( Looted store owners in Ferguson should to sue the city. They paid for police protection - got none)
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To: GOPJ

Absolutely.

They have even less justification for obtaining and maintaining military-style hardware than a rural county’s sheriff’s department.


6 posted on 08/19/2014 5:40:51 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: Biggirl

Does having a DEMOCRAT with LOTS of POWER make a difference, OR if the President was let’s just say, WAS a REPUBLICAN, would this still be a BIG DEAL because of the issue of the need to fight crime?

Thank-you for your response. :)


7 posted on 08/19/2014 5:41:37 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

I wish they would stop this crap. There are no tanks theres and not of the equipment, with perhaps the exception of some of the rifles, was ever issued to the military.

Most of the gas masks they are wearing was issued directly after 9/11 by FEMA.


8 posted on 08/19/2014 5:41:38 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: Biggirl

While I am concerned by the militarization of police, I am more immediately concerned with scenes of looters shooting open the doors & windows of businesses, & rioters throwing fire bombs & rocks, while police only WATCH!

Every bomb & rock thrower, every looter should be arrested. If that takes an MRAP to do so, fine. The fire bomb throwers in particular, should be shot on sight.


9 posted on 08/19/2014 5:43:00 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: WayneS

If your town comes under fire from the New Black Panthers, call Rand Paul to rescue you.


10 posted on 08/19/2014 5:44:52 AM PDT by lormand (Inside every liberal is a dung slinging monkey)
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To: Biggirl

De-militarize the police, and re-militarize the military!


11 posted on 08/19/2014 5:45:25 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Mississippi!)
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To: Molon Labbie
Most of the gas masks they are wearing was issued directly after 9/11 by FEMA.

I notice a lot of the "protesters" are wearing gas masks too. I even saw a few last night who looked like they might be wearing armor.
12 posted on 08/19/2014 5:45:55 AM PDT by cripplecreek ("Moderates" are lying manipulative bottom feeding scum.)
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To: WayneS

Such conservatives have fallen for the allure of Kirsten Powers.

She must be the reason


13 posted on 08/19/2014 5:48:08 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12 ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: cripplecreek

Yep. Having body armor as a gang member is making a fashion statement. Plenty of street arms dealers sell the stuff.


14 posted on 08/19/2014 5:49:01 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: lormand

No.


15 posted on 08/19/2014 5:50:24 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: bert

I don’t think so.

Is Kirsten Powers even 30 years old?


16 posted on 08/19/2014 5:51:35 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: lormand

PS - I such an event, what makes you think my town will need to be rescued?


17 posted on 08/19/2014 5:53:13 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: Biggirl

Just wondering how expensive it would be to replace police cars that are overturned and burned during something like Ferguson...as opposed to using a heavy vehicle that cant be overturned or damaged as easily...


18 posted on 08/19/2014 5:53:19 AM PDT by bike800
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To: WayneS

Sorry... ...IN such an event...


19 posted on 08/19/2014 5:53:31 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: Biggirl

I remember seeing liberals agreeing with each other on how it would be appropriate for their President to direct drone strikes against Americans who declined to turn in their firearms not too long ago. I wonder what they’re saying about Ferguson? Pretty sure they’re singing a different tune now. That’s a liberal for you. See my tag line to see where I stand on this issue.


20 posted on 08/19/2014 5:53:53 AM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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21 posted on 08/19/2014 5:56:00 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: lormand

If my town comes under fire from new black panthers, I’ll be returning fire and I suspect my neighbors will be standing right beside me doing the same. And that’s the way it should be.


22 posted on 08/19/2014 5:57:37 AM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: Biggirl

I think the most irritating thing about this whole “militarized” police thing is the way people go full stupid. Rather than taking the issue up with the people who approve it in state county and local governments they throw meaningless tantrums at police themselves.

Most police departments don’t need much in the way of armored vehicles or other riot control gear but many cities do need it as we see in Ferguson where people are actively shooting at police.


23 posted on 08/19/2014 5:58:20 AM PDT by cripplecreek ("Moderates" are lying manipulative bottom feeding scum.)
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To: Biggirl
“Given these developments, it is almost impossible for many Americans not to feel like their government is targeting them.” It sounds like something a liberal lawmaker might write.

Not since Richard Nixon, Howie. The government has been a leftist cudgel used to bash Americans who don't tow the federal line for at least that long.

24 posted on 08/19/2014 5:58:43 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: cripplecreek

Ya, saw some really old masks they probably got from surplus store.

Even saw an old M-17 pro mask that of they type I was issued in the Army over 20 years ago...


25 posted on 08/19/2014 5:59:07 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: lormand
If your town comes under fire from the New Black Panthers, call Rand Paul to rescue you.

I have a better idea. Why don't you pick up your own rifle and defend yourself. Seems to have worked pretty well for those merchants who had the guts (and guns) to do it.

26 posted on 08/19/2014 6:00:38 AM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: Biggirl

I heard Mark Levin say the other day “no liberals are complaining about the militarization of federal agencies, NOAA, DOE, etc)


27 posted on 08/19/2014 6:02:17 AM PDT by jimmyo57
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To: Biggirl

Who wants to tell the police they can’t have the equipment they think they need to protect themselves? Would we do that to the military or to fire fighters? Not me.


28 posted on 08/19/2014 6:04:00 AM PDT by armydawg505
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To: GOPJ

The Library if Congress and the Dept of Education also have their own SWAT teams.


29 posted on 08/19/2014 6:04:21 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: cripplecreek
Rather than taking the issue up with the people who approve it in state county and local governments they throw meaningless tantrums at police themselves.

The money and the equipment isn't coming from local governments. Police can partly fund themselves now through civil asset forfeiture. And the fedgov is passing out equipment to local law enforcement without the consent of local government.

30 posted on 08/19/2014 6:05:27 AM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: Biggirl

“...Why Ferguson has conservatives challenging military-style police”

Obviously, none of these conservatives own and operate a convenience store on Main Street, Ferguson, MO.


31 posted on 08/19/2014 6:08:46 AM PDT by moovova
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To: Molon Labbie
"There are no tanks there..."

I suspect that's more a matter of economics than restraint. If the fedgov had included Abrams MBTs in their LE giveaway, rest assured there would be departments that would have felt the need to secure one.

32 posted on 08/19/2014 6:08:51 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Biggirl

“......if the President was let’s just say, WAS a REPUBLICAN, would this still be a BIG DEAL because of the issue of the need to fight crime?”.....

If we had a “real president” no matter what side of the aisle he/she represented, the problem in Ferguson would not have escalated to this magnitude. Ferguson is only the “testing ground” for the demodummies to see how the “citizens” might react when they (demodummies) decide to take over the entire nation.

What has happened in Ferguson is a direct result of what the hoards of “Street Rats” have been allowed to get away with for so long. Big Mike Brown caused his own demise. Does anyone with a logical mind think that cops go around seeking someone, especially blacks, to arbitrarily shoot? I think NOT.


33 posted on 08/19/2014 6:10:38 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: SeeSharp
Barry Michigan took effective action.

Small Michigan Community Rebels Against Police Chief Over Civilian Reserve Officers, Armored Vehicles

The township has since dumped the reserve officers and the police chief resigned in anger in the middle of the meeting. He didn't like the fact that people took his army and toys away.

Barry Township police chief Victor Pierce resigns

Seems pretty effective to me.
34 posted on 08/19/2014 6:20:37 AM PDT by cripplecreek ("Moderates" are lying manipulative bottom feeding scum.)
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To: bamahead

Even a broken clock is right once a day, he stumbles at the end but other than that he pretty much gets it, and that’s amazing considering he’s such an ass.

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35 posted on 08/19/2014 6:23:43 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Joe 6-pack

I disagree, most police departments that are getting the MRAPs and even the Hummers are finding they can’t afford to maintain them.

A tank they couldn’t even afford to fill the gas tank.


36 posted on 08/19/2014 6:27:13 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: lormand
If your town comes under fire from the New Black Panthers, call Rand Paul to rescue you.

In contrast to the Ferguson PD, MO State Police and National Guard?

None has been too effective.

37 posted on 08/19/2014 6:27:59 AM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (Settled science.)
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To: Biggirl; WayneS

There was nothing military at all about the Brown incident. He was a regular police officer in a regular squad car using a regular weapon and making a regular stop.

As fir riot police having heavy equipment - this ain’t your granpa’s riot. These are coordinated, frequently involving the hiding if weapons parts in advance (to be assembled by the rioters), and always involving lower tech devices such Molotov cocktails and slingshots with ball bearings (which can kill you very nicely).

This militarization meme is all a Dem ploy to remove police presence from dangerous places so that their boys can run them. Don’t snitch, remember? Just do what your Dem thug overlords tell you.


38 posted on 08/19/2014 6:28:06 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius

Right on!

This ain’t Mayberry, cops have to deal with more bold criminals who have more firepower at their disposal than ever before.

Is it abused at times, yes. But I find it amazing on this forum, where the mantra is “Guns Don’t Kill, People Do”, people are focused on the kind of equipment that police have.


39 posted on 08/19/2014 6:31:40 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: lormand

If the Black Panthers come here,they better bring their own body bags.People are armed to the teeth in the rural areas.


40 posted on 08/19/2014 6:36:57 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Biggirl

“The images of police in riot gear armed with heavy weaponry and tanks has at times become the alarming backdrop for the Ferguson story, with pictures that television can’t resist.”

I haven’t seen any tanks in Ferguson, has anyone?

Armored personnel carriers are a reasonable way for cops to protect themselves when dealing with rioters throwing bricks, bottles, molotov cocktails, and shooting at them.

Without adequate protection the cops would be forced to start shooting the rioters to protect themselves. Is that what the liberals want?

This argument that the rioters are out-gunned by the police is the same BS liberal bedwetters spew about the terrorists
in Gaza.

My reply is...Good, I’m glad they outmatched!


41 posted on 08/19/2014 6:43:50 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Molon Labbie

Had they done due diligence, they would have known they couldn’t afford the maintenance, but that is never a consideration when things are done on the taxpayer’s dime.


42 posted on 08/19/2014 6:44:57 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: livius

I am not speaking about SWAT teams, but police officers on patrol that I know, and know of, have a pistol on their hip and a shotgun in the trunk. There is nothing about them that one would call militarized. In fact when facing gangs they are seriously outgunned.


43 posted on 08/19/2014 6:50:52 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: SeeSharp

I see you post disinformation.


44 posted on 08/19/2014 6:55:32 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: Biggirl
To be clear I have no problem using these devices once a riot is taking place. What I don't care for is the rest of the year. I live near a town of less than 1000 people yet the police drive around in SUV type vehicles and are in black utility type uniforms. WHY!!! Police on regular patrol should look like the police...not some tactical squad!!!
45 posted on 08/19/2014 7:01:52 AM PDT by ontap
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To: WayneS
Rand Paul, the potential presidential candidate with a strong libertarian streak, registered his objections in a Time piece:

“Big government has been at the heart of the problem,” the Kentucky senator says. “Washington has incentivized the militarization of local police precincts by using federal dollars to help municipal governments build what are essentially small armies—where police departments compete to acquire military gear that goes far beyond what most of Americans think of as law enforcement…

And this is what it all boils down to.

Libertarianisn.

The odd thing is, Jim Rob has already condemned Rand Paul for his liberaltarian thoughts here. Yet the anger and hatred against cops continues to drive this place.

46 posted on 08/19/2014 7:02:43 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: ifinnegan
I see you post disinformation.

So, you're just going to insult me and run away?

47 posted on 08/19/2014 7:06:07 AM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: SeeSharp

No insult. Observation.

You spread lies.

Why?

Ignorance or agenda on your part?


48 posted on 08/19/2014 7:10:47 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: Responsibility2nd

I don’t think you’re seeing anger and hatred towards police.

You are seeing concern and outright fear about police that have become paramilitarized. Especially police that have become paramilitarized for, seemingly, no good reason.

Thats a huge difference. There are little towns up in New England that are developing SWAT capabilities. Because the moneys there, they can and dammit the town next door has SWAT too and we look like peons for not having it ourselves.

Thats before adding the notion that once a capability is developed, there’s going to be incentive to justify the costs of developing it by using it.


49 posted on 08/19/2014 7:11:27 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: ifinnegan

What lie? Specifically.


50 posted on 08/19/2014 7:11:31 AM PDT by SeeSharp
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