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House votes 231-187 to hold IRSís Lerner in contempt
The Hill ^ | May 7, 2014 | Bernie Becker and Cristina Marcos

Posted on 05/07/2014 4:14:19 PM PDT by jazusamo

The House voted Wednesday to hold former IRS official Lois Lerner in contempt of Congress for refusing to testify about the agency’s improper scrutiny of Tea Party groups.

The 231 to 187 vote, which attracted just 5 Democrats, marked the latest escalation in the nearly yearlong IRS controversy, which broke last May when Lerner acknowledged and apologized for the agency’s singling out of Tea Party groups seeking tax-exempt status.

Republicans said the move to hold Lerner in contempt was both reluctant and a long time coming, after they’d tried to secure her testimony for more than 11 months.

Lerner has twice invoked her Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination before the House Oversight Committee.

But Republicans say she waived those rights by claiming her innocence in an opening statement, and they have suggested the Obama administration is stonewalling them in their investigation of both the IRS and the 2012 terrorist attacks in Benghazi, Libya.

“The contempt of the U.S. House of Representatives is a serious matter, and one we take only when duly warranted,” House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) said on the House floor. “There are few government abuses more serious than using the IRS to punish American citizens for their political beliefs.”

The vote refers the contempt charges to the local U.S. attorney, who will decide whether to bring them before federal court.

Lerner, the former head of an IRS division that oversaw tax-exempt groups, could face up to a year in prison and a $1,000 fine if found guilty of the charges. She retired from the IRS in September, after being suspended shortly after the IRS controversy broke.

At the same time, the House’s batting average hasn’t been great in recent years when it comes to contempt charges. The Justice Department declined, for instance, to bring House-passed contempt charges against Attorney General Eric Holder to federal court.

“Congress loses about 80 percent of these contempt proceedings,” said Stan Brand, a House counsel under former Speaker Tip O’Neill (D-Mass.).

But legal experts say there’s also a crucial distinction between the case against Holder and Lerner.

Unlike with Holder, the Obama administration has not invoked executive privilege in the Lerner case. If they did, Republicans would be able to further press their case that the White House was obstructing their investigation into the IRS.

With executive privilege not expected to be an issue, Charles Tiefer, a law professor at the University of Baltimore, said that the Justice Department wouldn’t be as reflexively opposed to the contempt referral.

“They wouldn’t have a pre-established Justice Department decision on this one,” said Tiefer, a former deputy House counsel in the 1980s and 1990s.

Because of that, Brand said that: “If I had to bet, I’d say it was 50-50 or better that they’d proceed with the case.”

But there could also be legal reasons for the Obama administration to decline to bring the Lerner contempt charges to federal court.

Congressional Democrats and Lerner’s own attorney, Bill Taylor of Zuckerman Spaeder, have said they don’t believe the GOP’s charges will stand up in court.

Democrats have said that, citing precedents back to the days of former Sen. Joe McCarthy (R-Wis.) in the 1950s, that courts have historically protected the rights of witnesses who took the Fifth before Congress.

Still, as they lashed out at the contempt vote on Wednesday, Democrats also made sure to point out they weren’t defending Lerner’s job performance, and said they also wanted her to testify.

“I will not walk a path that has been tread by Sen. McCarthy and the House Un-American Activities Committee,” said Rep. Elijah Cummings (Md.), the top Democrat on the House Oversight Committee.

“I am not defending Ms. Lerner,” Cummings added. “But I cannot vote to violate an individual's Fifth Amendment rights just because I want to hear what she has to say.”

The contempt vote Wednesday came after weeks of Republicans intensifying their focus on the IRS, picking up the pace on an issue that, along with Benghazi, remains popular among their conservative base.

In a separate vote Wednesday, the House voted, again largely on party lines, to urge Holder to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the IRS.

GOP lawmakers had been skeptical of seeking a special prosecutor, since Holder would have appointment power. But Republicans now say that the Justice Department is currently undertaking a phony criminal investigation into the IRS.

The Justice Department told the House Ways and Means Committee on Wednesday that it received its letter asking them to consider prosecuting Lerner for charges with penalties of up to 11 years in jail.

Democrats, while careful not to defend the IRS, have also accused the Republicans of using the IRS and Benghazi as an election-year distraction and political ploy.

“It may be red meat for the extreme right wing, but for too many Americans, it adds to the cynicism that this is a place where trivial issues get debated passionately and important ones not at all,” said Rep. James McGovern (D-Mass.).

Republicans say that Lerner remains the critical figure in finding out just what happened at the IRS.

“The Fifth Amendment is protection. It is a shield. Lois Lerner used it as a sword to cut and then defend herself from any response,” said House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.).

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1 posted on 05/07/2014 4:14:19 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

BFD


2 posted on 05/07/2014 4:15:15 PM PDT by TomServo
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To: jazusamo

Good!! About damned time! Jug that whore!


3 posted on 05/07/2014 4:17:06 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: jazusamo
“It may be red meat for the extreme right wing,

And apparently the democrats who are getting hammered by their constituents over this.
4 posted on 05/07/2014 4:18:09 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Stillwaters

ping


5 posted on 05/07/2014 4:19:22 PM PDT by lonevoice (We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality)
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To: jazusamo

I find entertaining the accusations of “witch hunt.” They couldn’t be more wrong. They already know where the witch is.


6 posted on 05/07/2014 4:21:05 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: cripplecreek

Absolutely...Even a lot of Dems are well aware of criminal actions by the IRS.


7 posted on 05/07/2014 4:21:08 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

8 posted on 05/07/2014 4:21:12 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: lonevoice

Bust her Ass!


9 posted on 05/07/2014 4:21:38 PM PDT by DocJhn
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To: jazusamo
"The 231 to 187 vote, which attracted just 5 Democrats..."

Five is a much larger number than zero.

10 posted on 05/07/2014 4:21:53 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: lentulusgracchus

I am sure she is worried.....NOT!


11 posted on 05/07/2014 4:22:23 PM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: lentulusgracchus

I’m not exactly sure how that manifests itself, but I wholeheartedly share your enthusiasm.


12 posted on 05/07/2014 4:22:46 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: jazusamo

Apparently there were 2 votes. One drew 26 democrat votes and the other drew 6.


13 posted on 05/07/2014 4:23:04 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: jazusamo

Sounds to me like 187 representatives need to feel the icy terror that gripped the individuals that were audited by Lerner and her governmental domestic terrorists.


14 posted on 05/07/2014 4:23:58 PM PDT by infool7 (The ugly truth is just a big lie.)
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To: Steely Tom

Since it was more than 1 ‘Rat, this is clearly a bipartisan vote.


15 posted on 05/07/2014 4:24:40 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: jazusamo

I am glad this happened. However, when you have an AG who can’t be bothered to enforce the Laws on the books, I’m afraid this vote may be a victory without eventual accountable.


16 posted on 05/07/2014 4:24:55 PM PDT by originalbuckeye (Moderation in temper is always a virtue; moderation in principle is always a vice. Paine)
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To: jazusamo

The dirt bag will get pardoned.


17 posted on 05/07/2014 4:25:07 PM PDT by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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To: jazusamo

NBC just reported that if Holder refuses to appoint a special prosecutor in this case, Obama will FIRE HIM - just kidding - everyone knows theres *not a smidgen* of wrongdoing here. Obama the little pencil necked faggot said so


18 posted on 05/07/2014 4:26:02 PM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever)
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To: cripplecreek

Yes, the second vote was for Holder to appoint a special council and more Dems voted for it, I won’t hold my breath for it to happen.


19 posted on 05/07/2014 4:26:10 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: TomServo

“BFD”

So... what would you rather have seen today??


20 posted on 05/07/2014 4:26:12 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: atc23

Bump that. :)


21 posted on 05/07/2014 4:27:30 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: ScottinVA

I don’t waste a lot of time being angry about this stuff. I keep abreast of it, hope for the best and keep pushing forward.

Besides the Tiger game is on.


22 posted on 05/07/2014 4:29:14 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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Please bump the Freepathon or click above and donate or become a monthly donor!

23 posted on 05/07/2014 4:29:24 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

Infinitely more Rat votes for this than there were GOP votes for Obamacare.


24 posted on 05/07/2014 4:30:01 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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To: C210N
Since it was more than 1 ‘Rat, this is clearly a bipartisan vote.

If five Republicans had voted for ObamaCare, the MSM would be saying that it "had been passed by a bipartisan majority of both houses of Congress."

25 posted on 05/07/2014 4:31:18 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: jazusamo
The vote refers the contempt charges to the local U.S. attorney, who will decide whether to bring them before federal court.

Lerner, the former head of an IRS division that oversaw tax-exempt groups, could face up to a year in prison and a $1,000 fine if found guilty of the charges.

Mmmkay.

26 posted on 05/07/2014 4:31:59 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: jazusamo

So she is now a certified, official poopy-head. End of story.


27 posted on 05/07/2014 4:35:54 PM PDT by matthew fuller (No, I don't miss GWB- I miss Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld.)
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To: JohnBovenmyer

Exactly, and 0bama, Reid and Pelosi are proud in saying “it’s settled law.” They say this is a lot to do about nothing...hypocrites.


28 posted on 05/07/2014 4:36:50 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo
But Republicans say she waived those rights by claiming her innocence in an opening statement...

Not exactly. She waived her rights by invoking the Fifth and then continuing to make statements on certain chosen topics. You really don't get to do that even if you work for the Executive.

29 posted on 05/07/2014 4:36:57 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

Agreed...I’m no lawyer but what really seems outrageous to me about this is she tries to take the 5th with Congress but spills her guts to Holder’s DOJ.


30 posted on 05/07/2014 4:40:08 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

Looks like it was a bi-partisan vote to me.


31 posted on 05/07/2014 4:41:18 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: jazusamo

Yes!! Throw that smug arrogant bitch in the slam asap!


32 posted on 05/07/2014 4:49:35 PM PDT by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a great life!)
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To: jazusamo

Witch Hunt? She’s right there! Either start the barbecue or toss her in the lake and see if she floats.


33 posted on 05/07/2014 4:55:43 PM PDT by rwoodward ("god, guns and more ammo")
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To: All
Article on the House vote calling for IRS Special Coucil.

House passes resolution calling for IRS special counsel

34 posted on 05/07/2014 5:02:23 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

Other than displaying a backbone, this doesn’t really mean anything, does it? Nothing is accomplished.


35 posted on 05/07/2014 5:02:41 PM PDT by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: eccentric

Probably not with the turkey in the WH and his AG.


36 posted on 05/07/2014 5:04:53 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

What consequence can they realistically levy on her?


37 posted on 05/07/2014 5:20:47 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: jazusamo

Another meaningless vote, like the contempt vote for Holder. Issa and Boner are de-balled.


38 posted on 05/07/2014 5:22:38 PM PDT by montag813
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To: ScottinVA
So... what would you rather have seen today??

Anything except posturing by the GOP which has a track record of being unwilling/unable to successfully prosecute lawlessness in this administration and using constant threats as an election ploy.

39 posted on 05/07/2014 5:25:56 PM PDT by TomServo
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To: bobby.223

"I wear it as a badge of honor"


40 posted on 05/07/2014 5:29:22 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: COBOL2Java

What a snake


41 posted on 05/07/2014 5:33:34 PM PDT by onona (I’ve pretty much given up on sanity returning.)
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To: jazusamo
just 5 democrats out of the whole House voted to hold Lerner in contempt. shows you the threat is the democrat party

all democrats voted for Obamacare. 100% of democrat senators and congressmen voted for Obamacre

Democrat President Woodrow wilson in 1913 gave us the income tax,16th ammendment, 17 amendment , federal reserve, and a million other horrors with his DEMOCRAT Congress:
http://dailyreckoning.com/the-wilson-presidency-woodrow-wilsons-world/

democrat President Obama pushed for Obamacare, ordered the IRS to rig the election by keeping conservatives from forming, ordered the BLM to attack mr Bundy, issued many unconstitutional executive orders etc.

the news media are democrats and have hidden all this tyranny even in Wilson's time from the American people

42 posted on 05/07/2014 5:36:21 PM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: jazusamo
just 5 democrats out of the whole House voted to hold Lerner in contempt. shows you the threat is the democrat party

all democrats voted for Obamacare. 100% of democrat senators and congressmen voted for Obamacre

Democrat President Woodrow wilson in 1913 gave us the income tax,16th amendment, 17th amendment (turned USA from a free republic into a quasi socialist state), federal reserve, and a million other horrors with his DEMOCRAT Congress. This socialist monster Wilson actually created the world we are in with this huge government ever growing , proof is as the link following. but many even on here say every problem is Bush's fault or the Republicans' fault:
http://dailyreckoning.com/the-wilson-presidency-woodrow-wilsons-world/

democrat President Obama pushed for Obamacare, ordered the IRS to rig the election by keeping conservatives from forming, ordered the BLM to attack mr Bundy, issued many unconstitutional executive orders etc.

the news media are democrats and have hidden all this tyranny even in Wilson's time from the American people

43 posted on 05/07/2014 5:41:48 PM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: cripplecreek
I don’t waste a lot of time being angry about this stuff. I keep abreast of it, hope for the best and keep pushing forward.

You are a better man than I. I'm lucky I haven't burst a forehead vessel yet.

44 posted on 05/07/2014 5:50:03 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: DocJhn

Now prosecute her.


45 posted on 05/07/2014 6:07:43 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
yes prosecute lois lerner. but also her boss Barack Obama .

Obama created the environment to oppress conservatives

the buck stops with Obama

and I'll eat my hat if Obama did not give a direct order to Lerner or others at the IRS to oppress conservatives

46 posted on 05/07/2014 6:12:51 PM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: jazusamo
Lerner declared her innocence, denied wrong doing, and then refused to testify on the grounds it might incriminate her. If you believe her statement that she is innocent, then Lerner has no grounds for taking the 5th. If you believe she needs to take the 5th, then she lied about her innocence.

One way or the other, Lois Lerner lied to a Congressional Committee and is in contempt.

47 posted on 05/07/2014 6:41:50 PM PDT by Senator_Blutarski
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To: jazusamo

Expecting the Justice Dept to prosecute is asinine to the extreme


48 posted on 05/07/2014 6:53:39 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

You’re likely right. A while ago J. Christian Adams was on the Megyn Kelly show and said there’d be a lot of lawyers at DOJ coming up with reasons not to prosecute, he said Holder’s lawyers are good at that.


49 posted on 05/07/2014 6:59:50 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: Democrat_media

You are likely correct.


50 posted on 05/07/2014 7:14:14 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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