Charley Waite: "Well you may not know this, but there's things that gnaw at a man worse than dying." Open Range (2003)
This is a very detailed explanation of the history of this dispute in NM.
These are not isolated events and there is a pattern of the Fed Gov pushing all Western Ranchers Possible off their land.
Our elected officials must be involved to resolve this ComDem Grab. This is part of the plan for Agenda 21.
It is TIME to DownSize DC! Close entire Fed. Gov. Departments including their SWAT Teams.
This is NOT new.
Oversight Hearing on “Threats, Intimidation and Bullying by Federal Land Managing Agencies”
http://naturalresources.house.gov/calendar/eventsingle.aspx?EventID=355977
Theft by the Fedgov which has no right to hold property anyway, only enumerated powers
Afraid that the time has passed. The Federal Government is out of control and beginning to see the pattern of as brown shirt types with military armament. What is this power going to be directed on. Machine guns, tanks, bullet proof vest against who?
AMERICANS
The only reason Bundy won was the BLM can do simple math.
200 Armed BLM vs 1000 Armed patriots defending Bundy.
The math was not in BLM’s favor.
The BLM are real tough guys...until they get heavily out numbered.
including their SWAT Teams
Especially their SWAT teams.
I no longer think the Civil War will be postponed past 2014. It’s happening this damned year.
When do the,”He is not paying his fees “ Governmental agents, plants, and moles show up on this thread?
Government is simply using any Gov. Agency Groups to be it’s strong arm of force within the courts and outside them. Not to mention the Judges they can likely “move” to do their bidding.
We have an Oligarchy Government using all means to sustain their access to corporate and land grabs for their own personal investments. No wonder politicians want to run...it’s a fast track to wealth! You get all the inside scoops on where and with whom to invest.
I love it when a plan starts to come together!
Dear Lord, watch over these ranchers and their just cause.
I have a problem in general with the Federal Government ‘owning’ land.
This is the Obama Administratin’s final solution for the complete obliteration of the American Middle Class.
The will now make food and gasoline unaffordable.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the recent diseases which killed many pigs and chickens along with the orange blight wasn’t a government action.
Ping.
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Are they just testing the waters or has DC lost patience with the insolent citizenry?
Ping
“It is TIME to DownSize DC! Close entire Fed. Gov. Departments including their SWAT Teams.”
Amen to that! Also closing the departments down will eliminate the necessity of the huge Democrat/Leftist voting block employed as federal bureaucracies that support those departments.
Right there we will see a huge portion of debt creation eliminated towards bringing down the Leftist’s accumulated debt. It’s a must do.
This must be why the Feds took back those 192 Blackhawk helicopters from the State Nat’l Guard units around America.
Planning on suppressing anyone intent of fighting for their land.
It would take a major tax revolt to defund the feds. They would be forced to shut down within no time but it would take a very large number to have an impact. Thats how you kill tyrrany. Soldiers and government employees won’t be loyal to an employer that doesn’t pay them for very long.
I really hope everyone reading this will copy and paste to all the emails list and put your comments on the email about the government take over..I sent it to my email list and also posted it on face-book..
Kit and Sherry Laney lost their fight with the Forest Service about 10 years ago. They had their cattle confiscated and lost everything and even ended up divorced, it was very sad. The Forest Service went into their ranch with a large show of force as well. Their ranch was remote and fewer people were on the internet- no social media so they didn’t get much publicity or support. Kit ended up serving time in jail because the government goaded him into causing a scene by not treating the cattle right when they were gathering/holding them. An Arizona rancher named Wally Klump also had a fight with the government and he served years in jail for contempt of court because he stood up to them and wouldn’t remove his cows. Klump did not give in to the government either but again- little publicity, so he also had little support. There were several other ranchers that were cleaned out by the government for standing up to them in the last 20 years, not to mention all those that were put out of business that didn’t stand up to the government.
The government recognized rancher’s grazing rights for around 100 years to the extent they were bought and sold with the ranch- value of grazing rights were figured in value of the ranch. Very different situation than private rents or leases of anything. Ranchers had grazing and water rights on federal or state land tied to their deeded ground and it was recognized by the government and before the government went to war with the ranchers in the 1990s it was a relationship between ranchers and the government that was considered so secure government agencies and banks loaned money based on grazing rights as collateral. That relationship existed because our ancestors placed great value on those that produced our food, unlike so many today that think their food comes from Walmart. Ranchers were considered stewards of the land by the government and the rancher made improvements to the land like pipelines, fences, etc. Wildlife benefited because of the water provided by ranchers that otherwise would not have been there in the mostly dry West. It was a good relationship until environmental activists decided cattle were evil, they even had a slogan “cattle free by 93” meaning they wanted no cattle anywhere by 1993. That is how long this battle has been waged against ranchers by environmentalists and the government. Untold ranchers have lost their ranches in this battle and cattle numbers are really low, which is one of the main reasons beef is so high in the grocery stores.
Ranches that have grazing rights still to this day are appraised as if the grazing rights are part of the ranch. With the track record of the last 20 years since the government decided to support environmentalists instead of those that produce our food, I can’t imagine that those ranches will hold their value.
For those that think these ranchers should have just “paid their fees” it is not that simple- the government cuts their grazing numbers to the point they have no choice but to go out of business. In some cases they are told they have to keep cattle out for a number of years which is the same as putting them out of business. If ranchers disagree with this the government will not accept their fees so they cannot “just pay their fees” it is not that simple. Most water rights in the West are tied to use, so if a rancher does go along he ends up losing water rights from not using them or not using enough water. Ranchers getting their cattle numbers cut by the government can not only lose their grazing right, but their water rights as well. It is a really bad situation.