Skip to comments.James Sherr: It is time we stopped praising Ukraine for ‘exercising restraint’
Posted on 03/26/2014 7:40:20 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
KP: You are arguing that Ukraine ... should respond with strength to Russian aggression. What do you think Ukraine ... should do to keep Putin out of Ukraine?
Where Ukraine is concerned, Carlyles dictum deserves repeating for the umpteenth time: If I am not for myself, who will be for me? As an outsider, I am baffled by the authorities failure to formally declare that a state of war exists. The Armed Forces and the country need to hear this. Ukraine has been attacked and invaded. Its assets and military bases have been seized, centres of power have been occupied, and its navy has been destroyed. Although the new authorities are becoming more decisive, there still is a perilous lack of clarity. To this day, Im not sure that soldiers and their commanders know what is expected of them. Here, I am the first to agree that the West has not helped. It is time we stopped praising Ukraine for exercising restraint. Our message must be: Ukraine has the right and obligation to defend its armed forces, its citizens and its territory, and in this it can count on our full support. Hesitation in Ukraine reinforces hesitation in the West and vice versa. Those who say, in so many words, we should not be focusing on Crimea, only on the elections are doing untold damage to the country.
(Excerpt) Read more at kyivpost.com ...
The Ukraine was not attacked by anyone except those currently in charge of Kiev who obtained their power not by votes or law and order but rocks, bottles, fire and gunfire.
The people of Crimea, who saw the government of Ukraine overthrown by a western backed coup, decided to stand for their right of self determination by voting to leave it behind.
To suggest that the proper response to this is to somehow attack them is the epitome of irony and ingorance. We are only for democracy when it turns out our way.
Russian troops in the street is not democracy.
“Russian troops in the street is not democracy”
Neither are Open Society-financed thugs and violent Nazi’s...
As Natalia Poklonskaya said, when she resigned from the Kiev Ukraine General Prosecutor’s Office, and fled to her parent’s home in Crimea, she was “ashamed to live in the country where bandits were allowed to walk the street freely”.
The White Hut Secret Service should exercise “restraint”.
Congratulations, tovarich tcrlaf!
Has Moscow Center released official instructions that the Polish reservists being called up are "Nazis" yet? Or are they going to be designated as "Imperialists" or "Counterrevolutionaries?" Please let us know as soon as you receive your marching orders.
Take your Russian propaganda and shove it where the sun doesn’t shine, Putin crotch sniffer.
Coming from people like us with a few million LEO’s driving around issuing speeding tickets while Black Panthers hang around poling sites during elections and dead people continue to vote, the argument loses a bit of credibility.
About 70-80% of the Ukrainian armed forces would join up with Russia. 77% of Ukrainian military in Crimea have done so. They are not loyal to the Banderist Kiev regime.
My, , that was an intelligent point you made in response to his post. He won that exchange. That’s my official ruling.
The illegal coup and the western powers’ engineering of same has awoken the slumbering bear of Russia.
You are worried about what Putin is doing in the Ukraine? How are we doing with Mexico? Who’s crotch are you sniffing?
I love my country but until we can get our crap under wraps here, I don’t think we have too much latitude to be bitching about how other nations handle their neighbors.
I don’t give a flip about your ruling or that of any other dimwit incapable of seeing all the lies being pushed by the Putinists around here.
BS. This is the greatest nation on earth. We not only have the right but the duty to help those seeking freedom wherever they may be. Whatever problems we have internally can be fixed, but if we allow Russia to take over Europe we are screwed.
Stop believing Russian propaganda. They are liars, thugs, and tyrants.
If you see troops out your window, please call your doctor. He’ll know what to do.
Congratulations! It looks like you and the rest of the connedservatives who have bought this Russian bs are in luck. Obama agrees with you and will let Putin take whatever he wants without firing a shot.
The Tsar is back in town
Your observation is so trenchant: isn't it amazing how commies can say the most incredible lies with a straight face and then have useful dimwits repeat them?
The Russians got angry because their hand-puppet got kicked to the curb, and now we have to listen to thugs who stuff ballot boxes under machine guns huff and puff about the rule of law.
Hopefully, a bullet finds her and puts her out of her terrible misery.
Suicidal, because a volunteer army with modern weapons always gets its ass kicked by a bunch of vodka-soaked conscripts sporting 1940’s ordnance.
And wherever there are Russky thugs, there is an entourage of cockroaches, fellow travelers, and useful idiots.
Then why would she go to Crimea?
What happened in Crimea isn't going to happen in the parts of Ukraine where actual Ukrainians live.
He's hanging out at Dino's.
When did I say it was not the greatest nation on Earth?
The problem is that we are electing to involve ourselves in the affairs of other nation’s military directives regardless of whether or not there is any moral imperative for us to do so.
In the scope of international affairs, this was basically a bloodless coup in the Ukraine followed by a referendum that both liberal and conservative sources (if there are any anymore) pegged at about 70% in favor of becoming a part of Russia.
Yet you choose to rail against this in the name of doing what is right?
We start by restoring order to our own house first.
It’s much more likely that the “troops” I see outside my door will be domestic rather than foreign.
And just on a side note.... How’s the whole “duty to support those seeking freedom” thing working out for us in Egypt?
This was a very good article. James Sherr makes a lot of sense.
Who is “not supporting them” besides the moron in the White House?
Russia wont die either, but I am confident that it will lose. It does not understand this country. Even if it wins this round, it will lose. The Kremlin thought it won in December when Yanukovych signed the accord on December 17 [regarding Russian $15 billion loan package], and Putins cronies announced that Ukraine is ours. Then in two months time, they found they had no influence in Ukraine at all. We now need to show Russia: you take Crimea, you lose Ukraine; you take more of Ukraine, you lose Europe. I think its eminently feasible.
Pooty truly does not understand the love of liberty that beats in a heart wanting to be free of tyranny.
Pooty and 52% of the American electorate.
The moral imperative is that if we do not hold up our end of a Security Assurance that resulted in the Ukraine giving up 5000 nukes, the logical fallout eventually results in a whole bunch of radioactive fallout. Whether we catch it (much less the other effects) depends on “where” and the prevailing winds.
However, as a people proven to be dishonorable, short sighted, and deadly foolish, perhaps it is deserved. God smote Sodom and Gomorrah for not much worse.
Carlyle??? I'm thinkin', What am I? Losing my mind?
But here it is : Rabbi Hillel ... "If I am not for myself, who is for me? And when I am for myself, what am 'I'? And if not now, then when?"
Commies just love to label their enemies as Nazis.
Putler has an 80% approval rating among his Russian serfs.
Obama has a 40% approval rating among Americans.
Americans have learned their lesson.
Neither do some of the posters around here.
Don’t compare a bunch of Muslim Brotherhood fanatics to the freedom fighters of Ukraine. Muslims are about as freedom-loving as Putler’s Russian serfs.