Skip to comments.Four possibly flew with false ID aboard missing Malaysia Airlines plane
Posted on 03/09/2014 5:58:02 AM PDT by wtd
Saturday European officials indicated two of the people on board were using passports that had been stolen in Thailand. On Sunday Malaysias transport minister, Hishammuddin Hussein, said Malaysian intelligence officials were also checking the identities of two other passengers, according to The Associated Press.
All the four names are with me and have been given to our intelligence agencies, Hishammuddin said, according to The AP. We do not want to target only the four; we are investigating the whole passenger manifest. We are looking at all possibilities.
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Airport security is a total joke from the no-fly lists to the gropers.
Plane for parts, people for ransom, those who can’t be ransomed sold into slavery. Counties on the boycott, by the US, list also need airline parts.
This is starting to sound more and more like a terrorist attack. I suppose it could have been a sudden catastrophic mechanical failure or explosion. Who knows?
BBC is reporting that the holders of two stolen passports bought their tickets together.
We do not want to target only the four;”
...could that be because they’re of the “religion of pieces” and profiling just isn’t fair?
This was not a US flight, I don’t know if there are any groper in Malaysia where it originated. But I did read elsewhere that the airport security there is considered very good. FWIW.
I know about the Austrian who reported his passport stolen two years ago.
I know about the Italian who reported his stolen last August.
What is supposed to happen? I suppose the issuing country puts out a bulletin saying that Italian passport # 12345678 to Luigi Maldagi (I forget his real name) was stolen.
Are the airport ticket agents supposed to run a background check on every passenger's passport? That seems too much?
Soetoro’s Amish sons AGAIN ...
I’m not disputing that this could have been terrorism, although now they are saying the flight may have turned back which, to me, would indicate it had some problems (could still be terrorists I suppose).
But where are the credit takers? In a case like this doesn’t the group claim credit for what it did and give its motivation?
Conflicting report from Reuters:
“Malaysian Transport Minister Hishamuddin Hussein said authorities were also checking the identities of two other passengers, other than the men on the Austrian and Italian passports. Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, the head of the department of civil aviation, later told reporters only two passengers were being investigated”.
Given that the flight originated in Malaysia, it's likely that most of the passengers were Muslims.
“The BBC reported that the men using their passports had purchased tickets together and were flying on to Europe from Beijing, meaning they did not have to apply for a Chinese visa and undergo further checks.
An employee at a travel agency in Pattaya, in Thailand, told Reuters the two had purchased the tickets there.”
“at this point”
Key phrase (imho) in link and seems to be repeating in other reports ... </I>Hishamuddin, who is also defense minister. “I have indicated to our intelligence agencies and I have also spoken to international intelligence agencies for assistance.”</I>
Religion of feces.
They didn’t hijack it for those usual reasons. Instead they wanted access to chips imo.
Some reports are saying the next two are the Ukrainians.
The pilots who heard a transmission say that there was mumbling and interference. Interference not defined or explained.
radio interference or something else.
It seems to me that if you cant see parts of the plane at this point...it was an in the air explosion.
Maybe I’m wrong, but they seemed to know early on that their was a passport issue. It sounded like they put everyone on board then decided to verify the right people belonged to the passports.
I read a report last night that said the stolen passports were on the Interpol databank that can be supplied to any country’s security services if that country would ask for the info. The report also stated that many countries do not bother obtaining the info from Interpol & therefore don’t bother monitoring the validity of the passports presented. Nice, huh?
The poster above who said airport security is a joke hit the nail on the head. Seems its not just a problem limited to the USA and our TSA agency of Tools Standing Around.
Airline guy said all people had to have visas for china.
There could be an issue other than terrorism for the need for fake papers.
Dont know how common it is for people traveling to China to do so on fake papers.
The red flag should have gone up at the immigration checkpoint, when the departure immigration officer scanned the barcode on the passport. Could be that the immigration officer was greased, or part of the caper. The officers who let them pass have been detained.
A question for any EU passport holders: does the EU not issue the biometric passports yet? Our Indonesian passports have fingerprints and iris scans electronically embedded in them, and the photo of the holder cannot be changed. It is not likely that anybody from the neighbourhood would use these documents with Italian and German names. Perhaps the users of these passports were middle eastern creeps who could pass for Europeans.
Is it conceivable that the security database could be hacked, and the flags removed?
We do not want to target only the four; ...could that be because theyre of the religion of pieces and profiling just isnt fair? - albie
It appears our administration has determined no act suspected to be done by members of the resurgent caliphate shall be deemed 'terrorism' since in their opinion, it is an act of god.
Continuing its traitorous tradition, from the New Duranty Times:
"A senior American intelligence official said law enforcement and intelligence agencies were investigating the issue of the stolen passports. American authorities were scrutinizing the flight manifest closely, the official said, noting that forged travel documents are also used routinely by smugglers and illegal immigrants. At this time, we have not identified this as an act of terrorism, said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity Saturday because of the continuing inquiry. While the stolen passports are interesting, they dont necessarily say to us that this was a terrorism act.
The U.S. government has been briefed on the stolen passports and reviewed the names of the passengers in question but found NOTHING at this point to indicate foul play, said a U.S. law enforcement official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.**** via Calcutta News: Travel by passengers with stolen identities can be prevented
Of the two passports in question, the Italian one had been reported stolen and was in Interpol's database, CNN law enforcement analyst Tom Fuentes said, citing sources at Interpol.
Additionally, no inquiry was made by Malaysia Airlines to determine if any passengers on the flight were traveling on stolen passports, he said. Many airlines do not check the database, he said.
. . .but apparently WASN'T
Tatars from Crimea would still count as Ukrainians, an interesting aspect, since a big AQ warlord from one of the ‘Stans recently offered to “help” them. However, unless they were for some reason working with Uighers to attack the Chinese (most of the passengers on the plane, I believe, were Chinese), I can’t see why they’d be involved in this.
I wonder if they were also supposedly headed on to Europe, like the other two verified false passports?
It’s also hard for me to understand why jihadis would waste 4 terrorists on taking down an airliner. The 9/11 terrorists had other objectives and were just using the planes as weapons. But going down in the sea or the mountains of Vietnam doesn’t seem very productive from a terrorism point of view.
“Are the airport ticket agents supposed to run a background check on every passenger’s passport? That seems too much?”
At a time in history during which the NSA could probably tell you what each of us bought at the grocery store yesterday, one would think that the stolen passports could be put into each airlines’ computer reservation system fairly quickly and easily and that the system would automatically flag those when there’s an attempt to use them.
“Is it conceivable that the security database could be hacked, and the flags removed?”
That’s interesting...maybe so.
They were just stopping in China, supposedly, on their way to European destinations. You generally don’t need entry documents for a country if you’re just going to be in a transfer lounge and never leave it and actually enter that country. I’m sure the terrorists (if that’s what they were) knew this.
The four comprise two travellers with European passports, possibly Ukrainian, in addition to two travelling on stolen Austrian and Italian passports, the sources said.
“We have deployed our investigators to look through all the security camera footage. Also, they are interviewing immigration officials who let the imposters through,” said one official with direct knowledge of the investigation.
“Early indications show some sort of a security lapse, but I cannot say any further right now.”
Amsterdam via KLM was the supposed destination. I remembered it as I have done that route myself.
"Are the airport ticket agents supposed to run a background check on every passenger's passport? That seems too much?"-IzzyDunne
Sorry for being repetitive . . .
. . .but apparently WASN'T
Since our government TSA considers this appropriate and timely,
it hardly seems inefficient to insist ticket agents make routine use of the
Technology and a database listing all passports stolen in the world maintained by Interpol
Head guy for Malaysia Airlines said all of them had visas and China had the info.
Interesting addition . ..thanks!
March 3, 2014
Theories abound, so what the heck. Here’s mine.
The two people boarding with false passports that we know about were not Asian, unless the ticket sellers and the people checking boarding were complete morons. Travelers with names like Luigi Maraldi, the Italian and and an Austrian with the last name Kozel would not be Asiatic in appearance. Some people have dismissed the stolen passports as ‘a possibility’ given that stolen passports are supposedly common. This news of two other passengers being checked out is making the ‘everybody’ has stolen passports theory more unlikely.
So the group who did board this plane were internationally connected, making the use of sophisticated materials more likely. A plastic gun, or some explosive device was smuggled aboard and there were two attackers, and maybe four. The stewardesses would be the first people they approached and held hostage and they may have forced the stewardesses to contact the cabin and tell them to maintain silence. The next command would be for the pilots to return to Malaysia (reports of the plane turning back are already out there). The passengers probably noticed some sort of commotion ensuing and as has been the case many times since 911, they revolted. This lead to one of the hijacker’s setting off a bomb or possibly shooting a hole through the fuselage with some sort of weapon. Thus catastrophic failure. The actual circumstances will never be known, but terrorism is the obvious cause.
Why has there been no group claiming responsibility? The operation was obviously a failure, because they were returning to Malaysia for some reason. The hijacking may have only been one component in a wider attack and because it failed the other shoes didn’t drop. The remaining terrorist are now in a state of confusion and probably dispersing or regrouping for plan ‘B’, unless they have no plan ‘B’. Then again... Who knows?
That’s my theory.
“Having an onward reservation from Beijing would have meant the pair, as holders of EU passports, would not have needed a visa for China. Beyond that, it was unclear whether this had any possible implications for the investigation.
Failed plot makes sense.
Interesting. Certainly something to keep an eye on. Thanks.
I am trying to find the video of the bald guy saying they all had visas that I viewed this morning but can’t figure out what news story had it. He wasnt sitting at a press conference in the video.
I don’t understand what you mean by “chips”. Are you talking about the passports, or something else. If anybody wanted anything (other than credit for killing a bunch of innocent people) it’s at the bottom of the sea right now.
Department of Civil Aviation director-general Azaruddin Abdul Rahman said on Sunday there were only two such passengers, not four as earlier reported by the media.
“We have CCTV recordings of them from check-in until boarding and departure,” he said at a press conference on Sunday.
One more key thing:
Mr Azaruddin also confirmed that five passengers did not board the MH370 flight, and their baggage were removed from the cargo. He did not say why they did not board the plane.
Hmmm. I wonder if that’s just a CYA statement, though, because surely, unless Malaysian or Chinese immigration services have a mole, the stolen passports would have turned up during the visa process.
I had my passport stolen in Europe years ago. They issue you another one with a different number, so if those old numbers suddenly come back into use, it pops up immediately. I did read that possibly the Malaysian security authorities didn’t subscribe to the Interpol service that supplies the database of stolen numbers.
Data from Interpol show there were 39 million lost or stolen passports as at the end of last year.
Well, Richard Reed was gonna try it. Hope they get to the bottom of this.