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More Men in Prime Working Ages Don't Have Jobs
Wall Street Journal ^ | February 5, 2014 | MARK PETERS and DAVID WESSEL

Posted on 02/06/2014 10:47:06 AM PST by reaganaut1

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More than one in six men ages 25 to 54, prime working years, don't have jobs—a total of 10.4 million. Some are looking for jobs; many aren't. Some had jobs that went overseas or were lost to technology. Some refuse to uproot for work because they are tied down by family needs or tethered to homes worth less than the mortgage. Some rely on government benefits. Others depend on working spouses.

Having so many men out of work is partly a symptom of a U.S. economy slow to recover from the worst recession in 75 years. It is also a chronic condition that shows how technology and globalization are transforming jobs faster than many workers can adapt, economists say.

The trend has been building for decades, according to government data. In the early 1970s, just 6% of American men ages 25 to 54 were without jobs. By late 2007, it was 13%. In 2009, during the worst of the recession, nearly 20% didn't have jobs.

Although the economy is improving and the unemployment rate is falling, 17% of working-age men weren't working in December. More than two-thirds said they weren't looking for work, so the government doesn't label them unemployed. The January snapshot of the job market is due Friday.

For women, the story is different. In the 1950s, only about a third of women ages 25 to 54 had jobs. That rose steadily until the 1990s, and then leveled off for reasons that aren't clear. At last tally, about 70% were working; 30% weren't.

Men without jobs stand apart in a society that has long celebrated work and hailed the breadwinners who support their families. "Our culture is one that venerates work, that views work as good for its own sake," said David Autor, [an MIT] economist.

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KEYWORDS: bhoeconomy; jobs; layoffs; males; men; unemployment; workforce
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With lots of people having no jobs or savings, encouraged by the welfare state, things are going to get ugly when the money runs out.
1 posted on 02/06/2014 10:47:06 AM PST by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1
There are far more people looking for jobs than there are jobs.

Thanks Obama!

2 posted on 02/06/2014 10:49:05 AM PST by PATRIOT1876
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To: reaganaut1

Many are still living in their mama’s basement.


3 posted on 02/06/2014 10:50:37 AM PST by bgill
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To: bgill

Lies! All lies! Clown Prince nobama said the economy was doing well. How can this be?


4 posted on 02/06/2014 10:54:08 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: reaganaut1
Laws against age discrimination are to blame, too.

Employers can't risk a lawsuit by denying a job to an older worker.

5 posted on 02/06/2014 10:54:29 AM PST by freerepublicchat
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To: reaganaut1

I’m self-employed and went overseas. Does that count as a job going overseas?

Whole jobs-going-overseas thing is a fake issue. The buildings remain abandoned, because if they sell them or rent them to another company, all sorts of severance benefits to laid-off union members become due and owing. The unions and management of the gone companies could get creative, exchange those putative severance benefits and the company’s useless real estate holdings for equity in a new company that will make something, but instead the buildings remain empty, the rust belt gets rustier, and there are no jobs.

Wealth is a state of mind waiting to get turned into a fact. Poverty is a state of mind that inevitably gets turned into a fact.


6 posted on 02/06/2014 10:54:45 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: reaganaut1

This used to be called unemployment. The real unemployment rate is about 20%.

Now the statistics are falsified to keep the unemployment rate down and the MSM dutifully reports the artificially low number the government publishes.


7 posted on 02/06/2014 10:55:04 AM PST by detective
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To: reaganaut1

8 posted on 02/06/2014 10:55:06 AM PST by PGR88
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To: reaganaut1

But think of all the time they have to be free agents, pursue their hobbies, and spend more time with their families? What’s not to like? (/s)


9 posted on 02/06/2014 10:55:27 AM PST by NEMDF
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To: reaganaut1
does this take into account the many, many men who retire after 20 yrs in the military then never do a dang thing the rest of their lives, because I know quite a few living off their pensions....

I work with lots of women...nurses, therapists, aides, etc....I can tell you the women keep working well into their 60's while their husbands are "retired" or just not working....most women I work with will work til full SS age maybe beyond, while their husbands start collecting early......

10 posted on 02/06/2014 10:56:35 AM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: reaganaut1

Or the guy up the street who got on disability so he could sit around drinking beer and watching porn all day.


11 posted on 02/06/2014 10:58:29 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: reaganaut1
Much also has to do with putting the straight white male at the end of the line; the poor economy only worsens it.

Take a good look next time you're in a pharmacy, bank, public school, hospital, doctor's office. Very few are men, and even fewer are straight white men.

Look at the commercials on tv. To the extent there are white males there, they are portrayed as sloppy dressers and simple minded. When was the last time you saw a white male in the anchor chair for local/national news - weather...the list goes on.

Part of our ‘fundamental transformation’.

12 posted on 02/06/2014 10:58:52 AM PST by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: reaganaut1

Nearly 25% of our workforce sitting idle, is evidence of a major depression. If the stats needed to show this as a depression aren’t there, then it’s time to develop a new gauge of what exactly a depression is.

Almost half of our workforce is either idle, or working for far less than they were making a decade ago.

If that isn’t a depression, then the term is useless, and the term recession is just a sick joke.


13 posted on 02/06/2014 10:59:13 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Amnesty is job NONE! It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics.)
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To: cherry

LOL I’m one of those...the woman, that is with a guy that’s sort of looking, but family issues are keeping him from looking. I’d like a better job, but at 50+ I’m just not as sharp as I once was and doubt I’d get a new one.


14 posted on 02/06/2014 11:00:14 AM PST by madison10
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To: reaganaut1

Have you not heard the latest spin from Jay Carney and Harry Reid? This is good news. Men are no longer suffering from “job lock.” Men are not locked into jobs. They can spend more time with their family. No more “job lock”. Hooray! Men can stay home and get subsidized health insurance from the gubmint.


15 posted on 02/06/2014 11:02:41 AM PST by forgotten man
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To: reaganaut1

16 posted on 02/06/2014 11:05:58 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor)
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To: reaganaut1

Free At Last!!!

Free At Last !!!

Thanks To King Obama The Almighty !!!

Free At Last !!!


17 posted on 02/06/2014 11:10:39 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime." - Lavrentiy Beria (& Eric Holder))
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To: reaganaut1

This is the result of years of liberalism! Taking away a man’s ability to work and earn a living and support his family is like cutting off his man parts.

Feminazis love it. They have no sympathy and no understanding for men. They feel that men deserve it. They have always wanted to castrate men, and finally found a way to do it-through the government.

The men I know who are long time out of work want to work. Funny how their wives are still working.


18 posted on 02/06/2014 11:11:54 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: reaganaut1
Any triggering event would likely lead to real possible financial meltdown, or just long overdue correction, in Obama’s second term.

Somehow I have the uneasy feeling that Obama and the One-World-ers have their contingency plan at the ready “To Not Waste any crisis”.

19 posted on 02/06/2014 11:12:41 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: forgotten man

job lock... hahhh!!!!

what spin... then I guess everything is a lock.. locked into morgage payments... locked into parenting children..locked into car payments... locked into our job.. those 10 million should be so lucky to be locked into a job.

wouldn’t it be nice to be baby again, and spoon fed our food and had our diapers changed for us.

these are children up there at the White House... children.


20 posted on 02/06/2014 11:17:09 AM PST by Chuzzlewit
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To: Sir Napsalot

Obama and the rest of them DO have contingency plans.
Since they took over they have been intentionally weakening our country in every way they can. They have been setting the table for either a terrorist attack or another financial crisis or both in order to “not waste the crisis”.
Remember after 9/11, the dimrats and their media were all in a tizzy because Klintoon wasn’t president when it happened. That was a screwy idea, but it makes sense. Had the dims been in charge then, there is no telling what they would have done to us. The Obama gang is much more vindictive and devious than the Klintoons ever thought about being.
So here we are. Like living under the sword of Damocles.


21 posted on 02/06/2014 11:26:38 AM PST by Texas resident (Prepping since 2007)
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To: reaganaut1

..except for illegal aliens and outsourced jobs. Jobs galore!


22 posted on 02/06/2014 11:30:40 AM PST by CivilWarBrewing
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To: reaganaut1

But do they have health insurance?
That’s all that’s important


23 posted on 02/06/2014 11:31:18 AM PST by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: reaganaut1

“Having so many men out of work is partly a symptom of a U.S. economy slow to recover from the worst recession in 75 years.”

Can we all just drop the term “recession” and call this the Bush-Obama Depression? The economic stats have been massaged all out of shape to suggest that there has been a recovery when there hasn’t.

“The trend has been building for decades, according to government data. In the early 1970s, just 6% of American men ages 25 to 54 were without jobs. By late 2007, it was 13%. In 2009, during the worst of the recession, nearly 20% didn’t have jobs.”

It seems reasonable to conclude that the unemployment is skewed heavily toward the tails of that distribution curve (youngest & oldest). The youngest because they lack skills & experience; the eldest because of the “cost of employment”.


24 posted on 02/06/2014 11:44:18 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: reaganaut1
More than one in six men ages 25 to 54, prime working years, don't have jobs—

A staggering statistic!

25 posted on 02/06/2014 11:46:17 AM PST by uncitizen (Impeach the Communist Already!)
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To: reaganaut1
More than one in six men ages 25 to 54, prime working years, don't have jobs—a total of 10.4 million.

Funny what they consider prime, at 57 I still consider myself in my prime working years, sadly employers think I'm too damn old and too damn White. No one is stupid enough to outright say those words but the unspoken has been clear enough from their comments and questions.

26 posted on 02/06/2014 12:13:51 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: cherry

envious?


27 posted on 02/06/2014 12:17:58 PM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: detective
Now the statistics are falsified to keep the unemployment rate down and the MSM dutifully reports the artificially low number the government publishes.

I hope that when the new conservative president is elected in 2016 that one of her first acts is to change how unemployment is reported, to reflect real numbers.

If she does it right away, it will show what phonies this liberal administration really is.

28 posted on 02/06/2014 12:21:54 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Mastador1

More than one in six men ages 25 to 54, prime working years, don’t have jobs—a total of 10.4 million.
Funny what they consider prime, at 57 I still consider myself in my prime working years, sadly employers think I’m too damn old and too damn White. No one is stupid enough to outright say those words but the unspoken has been clear enough from their comments and questions.

**
And you also likely have ten times the experience and wisdom of the new 30 somethings they are so hell bent on hiring to replace you, so they can save a buck. Then they wonder why their companies start going downhill and everything is a total disaster.


29 posted on 02/06/2014 12:32:32 PM PST by LibsRJerks
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To: reaganaut1

Unemployment is Freedom, according to our Leaders.


30 posted on 02/06/2014 12:36:30 PM PST by kaehurowing
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To: bgill

“Many are still living in their mama’s basement.”
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Not many in my area but that is only because conditions around here are very bad for building basements, very few homes have them, but we have plenty of children in their thirties and even forties. There are very few adults who are under thirty.


31 posted on 02/06/2014 12:38:01 PM PST by RipSawyer (The TREE currently falling on you actually IS worse than a Bush.)
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To: reaganaut1

You are correct.
The entitlement army is a fun party zone right now.
It wins elections for Dems.

But when the markets start puking on the 40% fake money, look out folks!


32 posted on 02/06/2014 12:38:25 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: kaehurowing

Exactly - the headline is dead wrong!

It should say “more men now enjoying the freedom from having to work for a living”.


33 posted on 02/06/2014 12:38:53 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MichaelCorleone

“When was the last time you saw a white male in the anchor chair for local/national news - weather...the list goes on.”
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Well you could list Shep Smith and Anderson Cooper...oh, wait, you did say “straight white male” earlier didn’t you?


34 posted on 02/06/2014 12:42:10 PM PST by RipSawyer (The TREE currently falling on you actually IS worse than a Bush.)
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To: MichaelCorleone
When was the last time you saw a white male in the anchor chair for local/national news

Too often, unfortunately

Brian Williams (NBC)

Scott Pelley (CBS)

Wulf Blister (CNN)

and dozens more, journ-0-list members all

35 posted on 02/06/2014 12:47:11 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: madison10

I too am over 50. We might take longer to do things but that is only because we have 50+ years of memories to sort through. It is only after 70 that the slow decline actually starts and many over 80’s people have made astounding discoveries in their fields. Don’t let them tell you otherwise.

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/responsetime.htm

http://news.asiantown.net/r/34164/brains-of-older-people-are-slower-because-they-have-stored-up-more-information-over-time


36 posted on 02/06/2014 12:55:38 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: reaganaut1
"Our culture is one that venerates work, that views work as good for its own sake,"

It does? Where is *that* reflected in the media anymore? When I was growing up, an able-bodied man who was out of work very long was considered a ne'er-do-well, a lazy bum. Now, the Left celebrates the "homeless" and men who can't find jobs often just figure out how to get on disability.

37 posted on 02/06/2014 12:56:28 PM PST by OrangeHoof (2001-2008: "Dissent Is Patriotism!" 2009-2016: "Dissent Is Racism!")
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To: reaganaut1

Black females have the best chance for employment. Primarily in HR departments and government jobs. O-snap!


38 posted on 02/06/2014 12:58:53 PM PST by Old Yeller
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To: Mastador1

I had to look for work after getting laid off at age 53. Took three years to get back to a position close to where I was and I blew through my severance and most of my retirement funds trying to stay afloat. I may be “underemployed” of what I am truly capable of but feel blessed by God to have survived the worst of it.


39 posted on 02/06/2014 1:06:03 PM PST by OrangeHoof (2001-2008: "Dissent Is Patriotism!" 2009-2016: "Dissent Is Racism!")
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To: reaganaut1
They get on Social Security Disability and 'retire' for the rest of their lives... As they say, 'best to go mental' it's harder to disprove.

Obama incentives - destroying one citizen at a time....

40 posted on 02/06/2014 1:24:35 PM PST by GOPJ (The Nation's divided between those who are to be fooled and those who do the fooling.Greenfield)
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To: reaganaut1

"JOBS!!?? We don't want no steenking JOBS!!!!"

41 posted on 02/06/2014 2:09:40 PM PST by Gritty (Inside every liberal is a totalitarian screaming to get out! - David Horowitz)
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To: Chuzzlewit
these are children up there at the White House... children.

Indeed, you are absolutely correct. They are children playing white, uh playing house, yeah playing white house. And they have no clue.

42 posted on 02/06/2014 2:33:48 PM PST by roadcat
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To: reaganaut1

It is too bad there is no way to tell for certain the extent to which this is because jobs are flat out not available and the extent to which this is because of conscious choices. Of those men who are not in the labor force, how many of them could walk into an unemployment or human resources office today and find a job that brings in sufficient income almost immediately but make the conscious choice not to do that? The number of men who are not in the labor force would necessarily include them; the issue is how many unemployed men are in this category? As for women being preferred over men, I don’t doubt this is a part of why more wives are working when husbands are not, but this could also be just as much, maybe even more, because more men are actively forgoing the role of providing for the family. Two posters mentioned military veterans collecting benefits in their working prime while their wives work at least until SS age.


43 posted on 02/06/2014 2:46:41 PM PST by freedom462
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To: cherry

If there is a wave of people retiring from the military right now, that could be a significant factor in this drop in labor force participation. There are now people who join the military because they think it is the most convenient way to get a guaranteed income as opposed to serving and protecting their nation and people. With the rapidly increasing amount of social engineering and pressure to diversify, it is probably only going to get worse.


44 posted on 02/06/2014 2:49:23 PM PST by freedom462
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To: freerepublicchat

The laws against age discrimination are a good thing for folks who are healthy, engaged, able to work, but still over 50. Also, Many employers find they do better with older, stable mature workers as opposed to dealing with snot nosed 20 to 30 somethings with utopian notions as to how employment should work!


45 posted on 02/06/2014 3:22:06 PM PST by mdmathis6 (American Christians can help America best by remembering that we are Heaven's citizens first!)
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To: reaganaut1
...the unemployment rate is falling, 17% of working-age men weren't working in December. More than two-thirds said they weren't looking for work, so the government doesn't label them unemployed.

I suppose the reporter couldn't connect the dots here. The unemployment rate is down precisely because many workers ae discouraged and not looking for jobs. IOW, the unemployment rate has not dropped. Elementary.

46 posted on 02/06/2014 3:25:37 PM PST by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
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To: reaganaut1

Don’t forget the millions of jobs taken from these men by illegal aliens working for peanuts, and not just Mexicans illegals, either. This country has been flooded by illegals from nations all over the earth, and not all of them are unskilled either.


47 posted on 02/06/2014 3:58:49 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: mdmathis6
Also, Many employers find they do better with older, stable mature workers as opposed to dealing with snot nosed 20 to 30 somethings with utopian notions as to how employment should work!

Your comment is proof that the prejudice is against the young.

48 posted on 02/06/2014 8:48:39 PM PST by freerepublicchat
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To: Paine in the Neck

The American people have never heard of John Galt. And they wouldn’t understand who he really is if one tried to explain it to them.


49 posted on 02/06/2014 9:09:17 PM PST by Theodore R. (TX Republicans to endorse Cornball and George P! Stay tuned March 4)
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To: detective

I think the MSM is afraid of Obama facing the crowds burning the White House to the ground if they knew the real numbers.


50 posted on 02/06/2014 9:39:28 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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