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UPDATE TO THE CIVITAS CONTROVERSY
Vanity ^ | 1/25/14 | Dick Bachert

Posted on 01/25/2014 12:21:50 PM PST by Dick Bachert

By now, this story is old news to those involved in the on-going battle to preserve the Second Amendment.

For those who are not, here's the story:

A national newspaper chain with nearly 100 publications and 1.6 million readers is considering building “state-by-state databases” on concealed weapons permit holders, according to an internal e-mail. The plan, laid out in an email from a top editor at North Carolina-based Civitas Media, could be similar to a controversial project a New York state newspaper carried out in 2012 which included an online map that identified gun owners in two counties by name and address. Civitas' database project was detailed in a Jan. 19 e-mail to newsrooms across the chain, which has papers in 11 states, including Ohio, Illinois and Pennsylvania. The newest project "examines the explosion of ‘conceal and carry’ gun permits across the U.S.,” wrote Jim Lawitz, Civitas’ director of content, in an e-mail first obtained by the Buckeye Firearms Association. “Through public records act requests, we will attempt to build state-by-state databases that list those who have the right to carry a concealed weapon.”

After learning of this, I sent the following email to Mr. Michael Bush, President and CEO of Civitas:

From: Dick Bachert [mailto:richard.bachert@comcast.net]

Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 4:20 PM

To: Michael Bush

Subject: Bad idea

Mr. Bush, The proposal to publish a  CCW database state by state is a really bad idea.  You might want to have a chat with Jim Lawitz about it before it goes much further.

Have a nice day.

Dick Bachert

Citizen and Vietnam era vet.

 (For those on my rather voluminous email BCC list, here's a link to the situation referenced in this email.  You might also wish to send Mr. Bush, CEO of Civitas Media an email as well.)

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/01/24/newspaper-chain-seeks-to-build-state-by-state-concealed-weapon-databases/ "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." Plato

Except for the 40%+ who still support obozo, these words have NEVER been more accurate.

 ***********************************  

Several drinks over his capacity at his favorite Maryland horse track, Harry Hopkins, chief adviser to that hero of American "progressives", FDR, candidly blurted out to a group of reporters THE progressive formula for political success still the norm under Obozo, to wit: "We shall tax and tax, spend and spend and elect and elect. The people are too damn dumb to understand!"

Now who do you suppose those people might be?

 ************

All men lose when freedom fails, when good men rot in filthy jails. And those who cried "Appease, appease..." Are hanged by those they sought to please.

Within 11 minutes, I received this reply from Mr. Bush:

From: "Michael Bush"

To: "Dick Bachert"

Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 4:31:06 PM

Subject: RE: Bad idea

 A bad idea indeed.

 Civitas Media never had any plans or intentions of publishing in print or online lists of holders of “conceal and carry” permits.  Nor will Civitas Media develop databases of permit holders.  A poorly crafted internal memo meant to highlight editorial discussions and planning incorrectly indicated that such a database was being planned; it has been considered and rejected.

Michael C. Bush

President and CEO

To which I responded with this:

From: Dick Bachert [mailto:richard.bachert@comcast.net]

Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 4:43 PM

To: Michael Bush

Subject: Re: Bad idea

Great! 

That said,  we shall continue to monitor your activities -- just in case the individual who constructed that "poorly crafted internal memo" has his/her word processor returned.

It might be safe to plug in your email server in a few days.  It may take that long for the inbound traffic to subside.

Have a really great day and thank you for your response.

Dick Bachert

5 minutes later, Mr. Bush sent this:

From: "Michael Bush"

To: "Dick Bachert"

Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 4:48:28 PM

Subject: RE: Bad idea

 Thank for writing back.  It might be good for me to take a couple days off from email anyway!  Thanks for the quotes below as well!

Michael C. Bush

President and CEO

To which I replied thus:

From: Dick Bachert [mailto:richard.bachert@comcast.net]

Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 5:00 PM

To: Michael Bush

Subject: Re: Bad idea

 Mr. Bush,

You are more than welcome. 

And let me wish you abundant success with Civitas -- with one qualifier:  Do please to remember that, despite the growing abuses off it, we still have a Constitution, one key element of which is the FIRST AMENDMENT.  If we should ever lose the SECOND AMENDMENT, the others will quickly follow.  If you don't believe that, you need to study the history of what happens to a nation  where the people are incapable of resisting a government run amok.  There was even a time when Democrats embraced that view, to wit:

"The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which has historically has proved to be always possible." The late Senator – and presidential candidate -- Hubert Humphrey (D Minnesota)

  My humble little video on these vital topics is here if you can spare a few minutes in what has, I'm sure, become a rather busy day:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqw7kXG0kxU 

Regards,

Dick Bachert

And, here's where it got interesting – and somewhat poignant:

Dear Dick, “It is not too late” to answer the question you posed in your video.  My grandparents were among those who fled from tyranny to come to this country.  My grandmother loved this Country so much for the freedoms that it provided that she spent a lot of time teaching me this when I was young.  I have not forgotten, best,Michael

  My bottom line in all of this?

1. Those of us who continue to resist ANY encroachments on our God-given rights to protect ourselves and our loved ones from tyrants and criminals of the private or PUBLIC variety CAN, if we take swift and concerted action, have an impact.

2. Organizations most often consist of folks holding widely varied worldviews. It does happen that someone down the food chain will, unbeknownst to the folks in the corner offices, act in ways inimical to the values of those charged with guiding the organization. This may be a classic case of just that.

3. The tops of organizations are subject to often radical changes as people come and go, bringing in NEW values while the OLD ones move out.

4. I believe Mr. Bush's words in that last email were from his heart and I'm going to give those words the benefit of the doubt. One would have to be a complete hypocrite to invoke the name and spirit of a beloved grandmother to conceal a hidden agenda. I do not believe Mr. Bush is a hypocrite.

5. All of that said, I'm sure those concerned with where this country has gone and may be headed will continue to monitor all the opinion molding organizations out there for any signs that they have an agenda inimical to the Constitution and the freedoms for which so many have fought and died.

You can count on me to do so!


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: banglist; civitas; media; secondamendment; vanity

1 posted on 01/25/2014 12:21:50 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: Dick Bachert

Thanks for this post. The key take-away is “swift and concerted action” is required. The left doesn’t expect pusshback. They’ve been dealing with pushovers [looking at you, McConnell and Boehner] for so long that they expect to be able to say and do whatever they want without opposition. Time to “punch back twice as hard”.


2 posted on 01/25/2014 12:33:18 PM PST by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: Dick Bachert

Nicely handled and well done.


3 posted on 01/25/2014 12:33:30 PM PST by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: Dick Bachert

I put this on the list of things that conservative politicians will have to deal with in the future, by enacting *criminal* sanctions against, to start with, governmental organizations that collect such data solely because they want to.

I figure it will have to be part of an enormous and powerful “Database Control Act”, in which the keeping of the personal information of individuals, especially customers, can only be done legally with a *written*, not computer “opt in”, and that those individuals must be notified, at given intervals depending on the information, that such information of theirs is part of a given database, which they must opt-into again or it must be deleted.

Part two of the DCA will be to require all federal agencies to keep personal information about citizens in just a single agency, with only the information they are authorized to have available to them. And all such personal information, except as relates to criminal matters, should be available to any citizen by FOIA request.

Part three will be the authority of citizens to correct errors by an auditing process, based on written evidence.


4 posted on 01/25/2014 12:34:38 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: Dick Bachert

Counter with a state-by-state list of the addresses, car tags and phone numbers of liberal lawyers, activists, journalist & politicians earning over $100K, or with a net worth of over $1 million.

“Revealing information” can be a two way street.


5 posted on 01/25/2014 12:34:53 PM PST by BwanaNdege
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To: Dick Bachert
Excellent. You got the ear of a media mogul, and you represented us well. I'd consider reformatting for readability and posting this for posterity. If you like, I can assist you with the formatting. Use of Blockquote, Italics, Bold and even Font Colors can help.

You done good.

6 posted on 01/25/2014 12:36:44 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

Dear Laz,
Thank you for the kind words from Laz, one of the stars here at FR. :-))
I should like to avail myself of your kind offer on the reformat thingy. Still learning the HTML stuff.
Please let me know what I might need to do at this end.
FREEgards,
Dick


7 posted on 01/25/2014 12:44:59 PM PST by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: Lazamataz

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3115349/posts

I sent my message yesterday at 11:11 am Pacific, and Bush got back to me in just over 2 1/2 hours. My guess is that he was inundated and had others helping with email answers. Or, it was simply the standard cut and past answer from one of his underlings.


8 posted on 01/25/2014 12:47:30 PM PST by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: Dick Bachert
Finally, a quality vanity.

Well done.

9 posted on 01/25/2014 12:47:53 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Dick Bachert

Freepmail, I got your back.


10 posted on 01/25/2014 12:49:44 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Dick Bachert

Thank you for your communication and this post.

Well done!


11 posted on 01/25/2014 12:58:51 PM PST by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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12 posted on 01/25/2014 12:58:59 PM PST by RedMDer (Happy with this, America? Make your voices heard. 2014 is just around the corner. ~ Sarah Palin)
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To: Dick Bachert

well done


13 posted on 01/25/2014 1:13:03 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: Paine in the Neck

They need a smack that thier grandmother will feel


14 posted on 01/25/2014 1:29:41 PM PST by ronnie raygun
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To: Dick Bachert

Well done! Freerepublic.com at its very best.

That Civitas editor suddenly has a very different image of Second Amendment supporters, or is at least aware that we too can deploy information technology in defense of our beliefs.


15 posted on 01/25/2014 1:36:39 PM PST by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: elcid1970
Their web page identifies each newspaper they own.
Each paper has the name of its editor.

We can take it from there...

16 posted on 01/25/2014 1:58:09 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Dick Bachert

I really think libs are trying to push us into another civil war. Everything they do seems designed to ratchet up tensions, to dissolve more and more of the Constitution, and - via the most outrageous and unchallenged (by the media) rhetoric (e.g., Cuomo) - to provoke a violent response.


17 posted on 01/25/2014 2:21:28 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Dick Bachert

What would be the point of publishing the names of concealed carry permit holders? Defamation? Ridicule? What in the world are you thinking, Mr. Lawitz?


18 posted on 01/25/2014 2:37:38 PM PST by mom.mom
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To: elcid1970

Thank you.
Be safe.


19 posted on 01/25/2014 2:44:48 PM PST by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: Dick Bachert

Sorted things out like gentlemen... a rare thing in today’s world.


20 posted on 01/25/2014 2:48:06 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Dick Bachert

Kudos! for all the right reasons.


21 posted on 01/25/2014 3:01:03 PM PST by Daffynition ("If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." ~ Henry Ford)
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To: mom.mom

Concomitantly, why not make a database of all the non-gun owners and where they live?


22 posted on 01/25/2014 3:05:03 PM PST by Daffynition ("If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." ~ Henry Ford)
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To: Dick Bachert

Two can play this game. Let’s consider a state by state database of the names and home addresses of newspaper editors and reporters.


23 posted on 01/25/2014 3:18:21 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Dick Bachert

If they are going to spend a small fortune building a database of Consealed Carry Permit holders, they have an agenda. I don’t know what it is yet. My first guess is they are going for a financial gain. If that is not correct, keep a real close eye on them because they have a socialist agenda.


24 posted on 01/25/2014 3:32:46 PM PST by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Anytime you buy something that can be used towards living a self reliant lifestyle with a credit card, you are adding your name to the data control list of the Agenda 21 keepers. From fish hooks to ammunition to vegetable seeds. They all indicate that you will be one of the ones who will resist the orders to move to the city high rise.

The computers that we have today keep track of the most inane things. Adding your name voluntarily isn’t what I consider to be the smartest thing a person can do.


25 posted on 01/25/2014 3:48:44 PM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: doug from upland
doug from upland said: "I sent my message yesterday at 11:11 am Pacific, and Bush got back to me in just over 2 1/2 hours. "

I sent the first of three messages starting at 11:48 am Pacific. The first response came in about four minutes. The second response in two. And the third response was time-stamped just one minute after my email.

This would appear to mean that I received three responses while you were waiting for yours.

It does seem as if Civitas has some players with anti-gun sentiments and that not everybody there shares them. We'll see.

26 posted on 01/25/2014 4:58:25 PM PST by William Tell
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To: William Tell

My time stamps were off because of the time zone difference. It is possible that my response was in about 40 minutes. But the fact is they were liklely inundated and had to get out the responses very quickly and stop the tsunami.


27 posted on 01/25/2014 5:11:43 PM PST by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: doug from upland
doug from upland said: "It is possible that my response was in about 40 minutes."

That would put it within just a couple of minutes of mine. Makes sense.

We may have been among the first to whom he responded. Who knows how long he spent at the computer today. If he was truly unaware of this nonsense and was blind-sided by an employee with an agenda he is probably pretty ticked off.

Prior to the Heller and McDonald decisions, gun owners would find themselves at a distinct disadvantage in the public arena due to nonsense like the corrupted version of the Miller decision.

It was hard to logically refute the "collective rights" interpretation when it had, in fact, been adopted by some of the highest courts in the land.

That's not so anymore which makes people like me all the more impatient to see the right restored and much less willing to tolerate liberal misbehavior.

Soon I suspect we will see a changing attitude among gun owners here in Kalifornia. Assuming we get the proper results in the many cases awaiting rulings here, we will be well positioned to take our case to the legislature and DEMAND repeal of their infringements.

It's time that it stopped being a felony to attach a three ounce plastic pistol grip to a rifle.

28 posted on 01/25/2014 6:35:47 PM PST by William Tell
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To: theBuckwheat

Guys, Shortly after posting this piece, I had the following exchange with Michael Bush. I share it in hopes that he IS what he purports to be and will direct Civitas into areas more aligned with our Constitution and freedom generally.

We have two ways to go here: We can give these folks the benefit of that earlier mentioned doubt and attempt to bring them to our side or we can continue to hammer them, causing them to adopt positions they do not, in fact, now hold or intensify those they do. It’s the old tried and true, more flies with honey than with vinegar thingy.

That said, those of you inclined to do so certainly should pursue the proposed Civitas publication/personnel database and we all should closely monitor their activities vis-a-vis the proposal for the CCW database. If they should go public with the CCW database — ALL BETS ARE OFF!

My last exchange with Michael Bush follows below.

From: Dick Bachert [mailto:richard.bachert@comcast.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:22 PM
To: Michael Bush
Subject: Trip to Monticello

Michael, This is my last unsolicited email — PROMISE — but thought you might find this one of interest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p1xeAckrPU&feature=c4-overview&list=UUFDlhK80EdO28R-iGTXiGaw
Dick

Michael’s reply:
Thank you for sharing it. This is very well done; I particularly enjoy the digressions. I have been to Monticello four times. Once on a boy scout trip when I was very young. I returned again in college and then I took my children there when they were small. Last year, when moving to North Carolina with me wife, we went to Monticello as she had never been there. I surprised myself that even after all these years, I still got that childlike feeling of awe as I walked the house and grounds. Although I have been to Mount Vernon twice and enjoyed it immensely both times, there is just something extra special about Monticello, be well, Michael


29 posted on 01/26/2014 10:39:37 AM PST by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: Daffynition

Guys, Shortly after posting this piece, I had the following exchange with Michael Bush. I share it in hopes that he IS what he purports to be and will direct Civitas into areas more aligned with our Constitution and freedom generally.

We have two ways to go here: We can give these folks the benefit of that earlier mentioned doubt and attempt to bring them to our side or we can continue to hammer them, causing them to adopt positions they do not, in fact, now hold or intensify those they do. It’s the old tried and true, more flies with honey than with vinegar thingy.

That said, those of you inclined to do so certainly should pursue the proposed Civitas publication/personnel database and we all should closely monitor their activities vis-a-vis the proposal for the CCW database. If they should go public with the CCW database — ALL BETS ARE OFF!

My last exchange with Michael Bush follows below.

From: Dick Bachert [mailto:richard.bachert@comcast.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:22 PM
To: Michael Bush
Subject: Trip to Monticello

Michael, This is my last unsolicited email — PROMISE — but thought you might find this one of interest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p1xeAckrPU&feature=c4-overview&list=UUFDlhK80EdO28R-iGTXiGaw
Dick

Michael’s reply:
Thank you for sharing it. This is very well done; I particularly enjoy the digressions. I have been to Monticello four times. Once on a boy scout trip when I was very young. I returned again in college and then I took my children there when they were small. Last year, when moving to North Carolina with me wife, we went to Monticello as she had never been there. I surprised myself that even after all these years, I still got that childlike feeling of awe as I walked the house and grounds. Although I have been to Mount Vernon twice and enjoyed it immensely both times, there is just something extra special about Monticello, be well, Michael


30 posted on 01/26/2014 10:40:20 AM PST by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: Steve_Seattle

Guys, Shortly after posting this piece, I had the following exchange with Michael Bush. I share it in hopes that he IS what he purports to be and will direct Civitas into areas more aligned with our Constitution and freedom generally.

We have two ways to go here: We can give these folks the benefit of that earlier mentioned doubt and attempt to bring them to our side or we can continue to hammer them, causing them to adopt positions they do not, in fact, now hold or intensify those they do. It’s the old tried and true, more flies with honey than with vinegar thingy.

That said, those of you inclined to do so certainly should pursue the proposed Civitas publication/personnel database and we all should closely monitor their activities vis-a-vis the proposal for the CCW database. If they should go public with the CCW database — ALL BETS ARE OFF!

My last exchange with Michael Bush follows below.

From: Dick Bachert [mailto:richard.bachert@comcast.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:22 PM
To: Michael Bush
Subject: Trip to Monticello

Michael, This is my last unsolicited email — PROMISE — but thought you might find this one of interest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p1xeAckrPU&feature=c4-overview&list=UUFDlhK80EdO28R-iGTXiGaw
Dick

Michael’s reply:
Thank you for sharing it. This is very well done; I particularly enjoy the digressions. I have been to Monticello four times. Once on a boy scout trip when I was very young. I returned again in college and then I took my children there when they were small. Last year, when moving to North Carolina with me wife, we went to Monticello as she had never been there. I surprised myself that even after all these years, I still got that childlike feeling of awe as I walked the house and grounds. Although I have been to Mount Vernon twice and enjoyed it immensely both times, there is just something extra special about Monticello, be well, Michael


31 posted on 01/26/2014 10:40:51 AM PST by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: ronnie raygun

Guys, Shortly after posting this piece, I had the following exchange with Michael Bush. I share it in hopes that he IS what he purports to be and will direct Civitas into areas more aligned with our Constitution and freedom generally.

We have two ways to go here: We can give these folks the benefit of that earlier mentioned doubt and attempt to bring them to our side or we can continue to hammer them, causing them to adopt positions they do not, in fact, now hold or intensify those they do. It’s the old tried and true, more flies with honey than with vinegar thingy.

That said, those of you inclined to do so certainly should pursue the proposed Civitas publication/personnel database and we all should closely monitor their activities vis-a-vis the proposal for the CCW database. If they should go public with the CCW database — ALL BETS ARE OFF!

My last exchange with Michael Bush follows below.

From: Dick Bachert [mailto:richard.bachert@comcast.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:22 PM
To: Michael Bush
Subject: Trip to Monticello

Michael, This is my last unsolicited email — PROMISE — but thought you might find this one of interest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p1xeAckrPU&feature=c4-overview&list=UUFDlhK80EdO28R-iGTXiGaw
Dick

Michael’s reply:
Thank you for sharing it. This is very well done; I particularly enjoy the digressions. I have been to Monticello four times. Once on a boy scout trip when I was very young. I returned again in college and then I took my children there when they were small. Last year, when moving to North Carolina with me wife, we went to Monticello as she had never been there. I surprised myself that even after all these years, I still got that childlike feeling of awe as I walked the house and grounds. Although I have been to Mount Vernon twice and enjoyed it immensely both times, there is just something extra special about Monticello, be well, Michael


32 posted on 01/26/2014 10:43:22 AM PST by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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