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UPDATE TO THE CIVITAS CONTROVERSY
Vanity ^ | 1/25/14 | Dick Bachert

Posted on 01/25/2014 12:21:50 PM PST by Dick Bachert

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To: Dick Bachert

Kudos! for all the right reasons.


21 posted on 01/25/2014 3:01:03 PM PST by Daffynition ("If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." ~ Henry Ford)
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To: mom.mom

Concomitantly, why not make a database of all the non-gun owners and where they live?


22 posted on 01/25/2014 3:05:03 PM PST by Daffynition ("If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." ~ Henry Ford)
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To: Dick Bachert

Two can play this game. Let’s consider a state by state database of the names and home addresses of newspaper editors and reporters.


23 posted on 01/25/2014 3:18:21 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Dick Bachert

If they are going to spend a small fortune building a database of Consealed Carry Permit holders, they have an agenda. I don’t know what it is yet. My first guess is they are going for a financial gain. If that is not correct, keep a real close eye on them because they have a socialist agenda.


24 posted on 01/25/2014 3:32:46 PM PST by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Anytime you buy something that can be used towards living a self reliant lifestyle with a credit card, you are adding your name to the data control list of the Agenda 21 keepers. From fish hooks to ammunition to vegetable seeds. They all indicate that you will be one of the ones who will resist the orders to move to the city high rise.

The computers that we have today keep track of the most inane things. Adding your name voluntarily isn’t what I consider to be the smartest thing a person can do.


25 posted on 01/25/2014 3:48:44 PM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: doug from upland
doug from upland said: "I sent my message yesterday at 11:11 am Pacific, and Bush got back to me in just over 2 1/2 hours. "

I sent the first of three messages starting at 11:48 am Pacific. The first response came in about four minutes. The second response in two. And the third response was time-stamped just one minute after my email.

This would appear to mean that I received three responses while you were waiting for yours.

It does seem as if Civitas has some players with anti-gun sentiments and that not everybody there shares them. We'll see.

26 posted on 01/25/2014 4:58:25 PM PST by William Tell
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To: William Tell

My time stamps were off because of the time zone difference. It is possible that my response was in about 40 minutes. But the fact is they were liklely inundated and had to get out the responses very quickly and stop the tsunami.


27 posted on 01/25/2014 5:11:43 PM PST by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: doug from upland
doug from upland said: "It is possible that my response was in about 40 minutes."

That would put it within just a couple of minutes of mine. Makes sense.

We may have been among the first to whom he responded. Who knows how long he spent at the computer today. If he was truly unaware of this nonsense and was blind-sided by an employee with an agenda he is probably pretty ticked off.

Prior to the Heller and McDonald decisions, gun owners would find themselves at a distinct disadvantage in the public arena due to nonsense like the corrupted version of the Miller decision.

It was hard to logically refute the "collective rights" interpretation when it had, in fact, been adopted by some of the highest courts in the land.

That's not so anymore which makes people like me all the more impatient to see the right restored and much less willing to tolerate liberal misbehavior.

Soon I suspect we will see a changing attitude among gun owners here in Kalifornia. Assuming we get the proper results in the many cases awaiting rulings here, we will be well positioned to take our case to the legislature and DEMAND repeal of their infringements.

It's time that it stopped being a felony to attach a three ounce plastic pistol grip to a rifle.

28 posted on 01/25/2014 6:35:47 PM PST by William Tell
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To: theBuckwheat

Guys, Shortly after posting this piece, I had the following exchange with Michael Bush. I share it in hopes that he IS what he purports to be and will direct Civitas into areas more aligned with our Constitution and freedom generally.

We have two ways to go here: We can give these folks the benefit of that earlier mentioned doubt and attempt to bring them to our side or we can continue to hammer them, causing them to adopt positions they do not, in fact, now hold or intensify those they do. It’s the old tried and true, more flies with honey than with vinegar thingy.

That said, those of you inclined to do so certainly should pursue the proposed Civitas publication/personnel database and we all should closely monitor their activities vis-a-vis the proposal for the CCW database. If they should go public with the CCW database — ALL BETS ARE OFF!

My last exchange with Michael Bush follows below.

From: Dick Bachert [mailto:richard.bachert@comcast.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:22 PM
To: Michael Bush
Subject: Trip to Monticello

Michael, This is my last unsolicited email — PROMISE — but thought you might find this one of interest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p1xeAckrPU&feature=c4-overview&list=UUFDlhK80EdO28R-iGTXiGaw
Dick

Michael’s reply:
Thank you for sharing it. This is very well done; I particularly enjoy the digressions. I have been to Monticello four times. Once on a boy scout trip when I was very young. I returned again in college and then I took my children there when they were small. Last year, when moving to North Carolina with me wife, we went to Monticello as she had never been there. I surprised myself that even after all these years, I still got that childlike feeling of awe as I walked the house and grounds. Although I have been to Mount Vernon twice and enjoyed it immensely both times, there is just something extra special about Monticello, be well, Michael


29 posted on 01/26/2014 10:39:37 AM PST by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: Daffynition

Guys, Shortly after posting this piece, I had the following exchange with Michael Bush. I share it in hopes that he IS what he purports to be and will direct Civitas into areas more aligned with our Constitution and freedom generally.

We have two ways to go here: We can give these folks the benefit of that earlier mentioned doubt and attempt to bring them to our side or we can continue to hammer them, causing them to adopt positions they do not, in fact, now hold or intensify those they do. It’s the old tried and true, more flies with honey than with vinegar thingy.

That said, those of you inclined to do so certainly should pursue the proposed Civitas publication/personnel database and we all should closely monitor their activities vis-a-vis the proposal for the CCW database. If they should go public with the CCW database — ALL BETS ARE OFF!

My last exchange with Michael Bush follows below.

From: Dick Bachert [mailto:richard.bachert@comcast.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:22 PM
To: Michael Bush
Subject: Trip to Monticello

Michael, This is my last unsolicited email — PROMISE — but thought you might find this one of interest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p1xeAckrPU&feature=c4-overview&list=UUFDlhK80EdO28R-iGTXiGaw
Dick

Michael’s reply:
Thank you for sharing it. This is very well done; I particularly enjoy the digressions. I have been to Monticello four times. Once on a boy scout trip when I was very young. I returned again in college and then I took my children there when they were small. Last year, when moving to North Carolina with me wife, we went to Monticello as she had never been there. I surprised myself that even after all these years, I still got that childlike feeling of awe as I walked the house and grounds. Although I have been to Mount Vernon twice and enjoyed it immensely both times, there is just something extra special about Monticello, be well, Michael


30 posted on 01/26/2014 10:40:20 AM PST by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: Steve_Seattle

Guys, Shortly after posting this piece, I had the following exchange with Michael Bush. I share it in hopes that he IS what he purports to be and will direct Civitas into areas more aligned with our Constitution and freedom generally.

We have two ways to go here: We can give these folks the benefit of that earlier mentioned doubt and attempt to bring them to our side or we can continue to hammer them, causing them to adopt positions they do not, in fact, now hold or intensify those they do. It’s the old tried and true, more flies with honey than with vinegar thingy.

That said, those of you inclined to do so certainly should pursue the proposed Civitas publication/personnel database and we all should closely monitor their activities vis-a-vis the proposal for the CCW database. If they should go public with the CCW database — ALL BETS ARE OFF!

My last exchange with Michael Bush follows below.

From: Dick Bachert [mailto:richard.bachert@comcast.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:22 PM
To: Michael Bush
Subject: Trip to Monticello

Michael, This is my last unsolicited email — PROMISE — but thought you might find this one of interest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p1xeAckrPU&feature=c4-overview&list=UUFDlhK80EdO28R-iGTXiGaw
Dick

Michael’s reply:
Thank you for sharing it. This is very well done; I particularly enjoy the digressions. I have been to Monticello four times. Once on a boy scout trip when I was very young. I returned again in college and then I took my children there when they were small. Last year, when moving to North Carolina with me wife, we went to Monticello as she had never been there. I surprised myself that even after all these years, I still got that childlike feeling of awe as I walked the house and grounds. Although I have been to Mount Vernon twice and enjoyed it immensely both times, there is just something extra special about Monticello, be well, Michael


31 posted on 01/26/2014 10:40:51 AM PST by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: ronnie raygun

Guys, Shortly after posting this piece, I had the following exchange with Michael Bush. I share it in hopes that he IS what he purports to be and will direct Civitas into areas more aligned with our Constitution and freedom generally.

We have two ways to go here: We can give these folks the benefit of that earlier mentioned doubt and attempt to bring them to our side or we can continue to hammer them, causing them to adopt positions they do not, in fact, now hold or intensify those they do. It’s the old tried and true, more flies with honey than with vinegar thingy.

That said, those of you inclined to do so certainly should pursue the proposed Civitas publication/personnel database and we all should closely monitor their activities vis-a-vis the proposal for the CCW database. If they should go public with the CCW database — ALL BETS ARE OFF!

My last exchange with Michael Bush follows below.

From: Dick Bachert [mailto:richard.bachert@comcast.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 11:22 PM
To: Michael Bush
Subject: Trip to Monticello

Michael, This is my last unsolicited email — PROMISE — but thought you might find this one of interest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p1xeAckrPU&feature=c4-overview&list=UUFDlhK80EdO28R-iGTXiGaw
Dick

Michael’s reply:
Thank you for sharing it. This is very well done; I particularly enjoy the digressions. I have been to Monticello four times. Once on a boy scout trip when I was very young. I returned again in college and then I took my children there when they were small. Last year, when moving to North Carolina with me wife, we went to Monticello as she had never been there. I surprised myself that even after all these years, I still got that childlike feeling of awe as I walked the house and grounds. Although I have been to Mount Vernon twice and enjoyed it immensely both times, there is just something extra special about Monticello, be well, Michael


32 posted on 01/26/2014 10:43:22 AM PST by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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