Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Lawmakers Consider Preventing ALL Marriage In Oklahoma
NEWS ON 6 ^ | 24 JANUARY 2014 | Michael Konopasek

Posted on 01/24/2014 4:44:08 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-63 next last
To: babygene

Creates revenue with marriage licenses.


21 posted on 01/24/2014 5:55:27 PM PST by The Mayor (Honesty means never having to look over your shoulder.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

surrender


22 posted on 01/24/2014 5:57:31 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ransomed
"The reasons the statists scream over this idea is that they wouldn’t have a way to punish and to keep punishing those who they know will never accept whatever impossibility the state is calling marriage at the time."

I think this legislator is on to something. And you are right, too: the state senses power in defining what marriage is, and it does not willingly relinquish power. Churches should say: we do not recognize the power of the state to determine what - for us - constitutes a valid marriage. For us, it is a strictly religious vow, and is none of the business of the state or of the IRS. You can take your gay marriage and shove it.
23 posted on 01/24/2014 5:58:19 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Steve_Seattle

The homosexualists have to have the state involved in order to punish those who they know will always disagree them. The statists go along with it because they know it will help destabilize the culture, producing more broken people reliant on the state. Thus state approved serial civil divorce and now ‘gay marriage.’

Freegards


24 posted on 01/24/2014 6:07:52 PM PST by Ransomed
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Ransomed

destroying the institution of marriage was their goal, looks like Oklahoma might give the nuts the win.

Bye bye civilization


25 posted on 01/24/2014 6:10:11 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

No, I am absolutely on board with this.

Look, the SCOTUS IS going to rule against the family, regardless of what Kennedy specifically wrote in the DOMA decision. He is all gay all day and is going to try and force this upon the country.

The way we can actually win against the Gaystapo is threefold.

A) This gets rid of any state recognition of their union whatsoever. No getting sworn into the state senate with your butt-buddy etc.

B) It heads off future attempts to mandate churches to perform such unions

C) It strips out the benefits they crave. You can get any kind of marriage benefits you want to families without mentioning marriage directly, linking it to biological child-rearing for example.

We should get behind this effort before the Feds rule through the judges and force us to cave. Remember, this is only temporary. Once we take over the country, or parts secede (one of which is almost inevitable at this point). Once that happens, we can do as we wish.


26 posted on 01/24/2014 6:10:40 PM PST by Viennacon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Steve_Seattle

destroying civil marriage was always the goal of the perverts

sounds like you are on their side


27 posted on 01/24/2014 6:11:36 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

It’s a fascinating response to the grasping black-robed dictators.

Very similar to the Montgomery Bus Boycott.


28 posted on 01/24/2014 6:21:18 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GeronL

GeronL, I always though you were more of an independent thinker

I see this move as a plus, keeps the civil g’ment out of personal issues. This may force a whole new g’ment redefinition of civil society.


29 posted on 01/24/2014 6:24:24 PM PST by DanZ
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: GeronL
"sounds like you are on their side"

Don't put words in my mouth; I made my attitude to gay marriage very clear. My point is that civil marriage is already a joke, and that churches can - or should be able to - enforce their own marriage rules without state sanction. If you are worried about children, the law already protects them (or tries to) whether there is a marriage or not, or whether the parents ever even lived together. But it sounds like what you really want is for the Christian idea of marriage to be institutionalized by the state, and that is what you are calling "civil marriage." Unless there is a massive revival of Christian faith in this country, that is not going to happen.
30 posted on 01/24/2014 6:26:12 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: DanZ

I see marriage as the bedrock of civilization, and yes, I expect government to honor the real definition of marriage. Not redefine it.

Government redefining things is the last thing we need.


31 posted on 01/24/2014 6:26:56 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: GeronL

The state will never allow itself to give up the ability to punish those who will never accept its ever-mutating definition of marriage. It provides too much control of the culture. Civilization and culture is therefore safe and doing fine.

Obviously Oklahoma is in the vanguard to destroy civilization. Surprising that the most liberal controlled states like Vermont and California aren’t the ones to attempt something like this first.

Freegards


32 posted on 01/24/2014 6:27:25 PM PST by Ransomed
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Paladin2

That can be arranged. There’s a website “marryyoourpet” or some such. But they aren’t legally binding. I’m sure you remember the German postal worker who married his cat. But I don’t think it was legally binding. And they couldn’t get a clergy person to perform the ceremony so got an actress.


33 posted on 01/24/2014 6:28:17 PM PST by crazycatlady
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: babygene

Atheists would gripe. They always do.


34 posted on 01/24/2014 6:29:27 PM PST by crazycatlady
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Ransomed; Steve_Seattle; DanZ

The first things the government is going to do is find a way to punish those who do not accept their dictates. Whether that be the IRS or denial of healthcare, who knows right now.

...

I don’t see how government redefining things is “keeping government out of it”


35 posted on 01/24/2014 6:30:10 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: kingattax
Govt has no business being involved with marriage in any way.

Yes it does. Inheritance.

36 posted on 01/24/2014 6:31:11 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: crazycatlady

Given the way things are going with 0bama Care, you local vet could take care of you and your pet AND perform necessary ceremonies.


37 posted on 01/24/2014 6:31:52 PM PST by Paladin2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: DiogenesLamp
"Inheritance. "

Screw the State. It's none of their business unless there is a conflict to resolve without violins.

38 posted on 01/24/2014 6:33:08 PM PST by Paladin2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: GeronL
"surrender"
<
On the contrary, this is a direct assault on the prerogative of the state to declare what marriage is. It would be a fundamental change in how marriage is understood, and would make churches realize that they are not just handmaids of the state, but moral authorities in their own right, able to police marriage according to the tenets of their own faith. All of the legal issues surrounding marriage - tax laws, property rights, rights of children, and so forth - have already been addressed in ways that make legal marriage virtually irrelevant.
39 posted on 01/24/2014 6:33:34 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Because some people in government are now hostile to marriage as God defined it, in order to protect godly marriage we must remove the power of the State to define and regulate marriage. Then anyone will be perfectly free to enter into whatever relationship they want. However, they will not be able to call upon the police power of the state to force me to recognize a “marriage” that I don’t want to accept.

Lesbians can marry each other, but they won’t be able to force me to sell them wedding cake or artfully photograph their “marriage”. They will be free to do as they please without demanding that I approve of it.

But clearly, homosexuals want to force me to approve of what they do, which I cannot do. And that is the thing that makes them so furious.


40 posted on 01/24/2014 6:33:57 PM PST by theBuckwheat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-63 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson