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New York federal judge rules NSA phone surveillance is legal
nbcnews.com ^ | December 27, 2013 | Hasani Gittens

Posted on 12/27/2013 9:25:40 AM PST by John W

A federal judge in New York has ruled that the National Security Agency's massive collection of American citizens' telephone records is both legal and useful.

U.S. District Judge William Pauley wrote in his opinion issued Friday that the program "represents the government's counter-punch" to eliminate al-Qaeda's terror network.

Pauley raised the specter of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and how the phone data-collection system could have helped investigators connect the dots before the attacks occurred.

Pauley's decision appears to conflict with a ruling earlier this month by U.S. District Court Judge Richard Leon, who granted a preliminary injunction against the collecting of phone records of two men who had challenged the program.

He said that the program likely violates the U.S. Constitution's ban on unreasonable search.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; clintonappointee; constitution; janepauley; newyork; nsa; obamunism; policestate; richardleon; rop; stasi; tyranny; waronterror; williampauley; wiretapping; yeswescan
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1 posted on 12/27/2013 9:25:40 AM PST by John W
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To: John W

Good decision.


2 posted on 12/27/2013 9:28:22 AM PST by Rapscallion (Had enough? Let me know.)
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To: Rapscallion

Good?


3 posted on 12/27/2013 9:29:25 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: John W

Yeah, it worked so well with the Boston Bombing. Why do I get the feeling this was a hand picked lib judge?


4 posted on 12/27/2013 9:30:17 AM PST by PilotDave (No, really, you just can't make this stuff up!!!)
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To: Rapscallion

So domestic spying being legal is a good decision? Seems like it violates the Bill of Rights. Therefore any decision that violates the Bill of Rights is a bad decision.


5 posted on 12/27/2013 9:30:54 AM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: John W

I call BS-—how would listening to all our phone calls have any effect at all on listening in on terrorists?

Do they have someone assigned to every one of us?

For the first time in my life, I no longer trust my government. We have been going downhill as far as privacy and freedom since at least the Carter years, and maybe before that.


6 posted on 12/27/2013 9:31:18 AM PST by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: John W

Judge Pauley is a Clinton appointee - 1998

http://www.fjc.gov/servlet/nGetInfo?jid=2803&cid=999&ctype=na&instate=na


7 posted on 12/27/2013 9:31:54 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: John W

ridiculous


8 posted on 12/27/2013 9:32:02 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: John W

leftist totalitarianism continues.


9 posted on 12/27/2013 9:32:52 AM PST by Chickensoup (we didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: castlegreyskull

Not just spying. They are passing information along to law enforcement who are lying to judges and defense attorneys about its source.


10 posted on 12/27/2013 9:33:10 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: John W

The standard on whether something might prevent a terrorist attack is not the standard on whether something is legal.

If we killed all Muslims found in the country that might prevent a terrorist attack too. Does that make it legal?


11 posted on 12/27/2013 9:34:04 AM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: John W
U.S. District Judge William Pauley wrote in his opinion issued Friday that the program "represents the government's counter-punch" to eliminate al-Qaeda's terror network.

Laudable goal but completely irrelevant here. The issue is how does the policy jive or not with the Constitution.

12 posted on 12/27/2013 9:34:09 AM PST by plain talk
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To: driftdiver
Not just spying. They are passing information along to law enforcement who are lying to judges and defense attorneys about its source.

Feral government.

There is only one thing you can do to stop a feral dog.

13 posted on 12/27/2013 9:35:22 AM PST by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: Rapscallion
"Good decision."

You deserve neither liberty or security.

14 posted on 12/27/2013 9:36:53 AM PST by Godebert
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To: John W

Funny how they missed the Boston bombers and every other incident.


15 posted on 12/27/2013 9:39:05 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: John W

If this is okay then there’s no reason the government can’t require installation of video cameras in every household appliance you buy, store all the recordings in a big database, and claim they need them in order to have a computer program scan the videos for evidence of terrorism, bombmaking, facial recognition of terrorist suspects, etc.


16 posted on 12/27/2013 9:39:28 AM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: Rapscallion

Please post rationale.


17 posted on 12/27/2013 9:40:01 AM PST by Rennes Templar (If you like your disease, you can keep it.)
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To: John W
Pauley raised the specter of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and how the phone data-collection system could have helped investigators connect the dots before the attacks occurred.

Enforcing our immigration laws would have also worked without the need to violate our right to privacy.

18 posted on 12/27/2013 9:40:18 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Labyrinthos

the gorlick wall would have negated this ruling. (and did)


19 posted on 12/27/2013 9:41:08 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Rapscallion

What the hell are you smoking?


20 posted on 12/27/2013 9:42:22 AM PST by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: PilotDave

Uh-huh. Totally stopped the Tsarnaevs in their tracks.


21 posted on 12/27/2013 9:43:39 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: basil

They mostly just store raw data on a big hard drive. They don’t bother to listen to each phone call. How they decide which bits of raw data require further scrutiny and use it to stop terror attacks is beyond me. How they allegedly keep themselves from abusing the system to target political foes both large and small is not believable imho. Would the libtards have let Dubya get away with something this massive?


22 posted on 12/27/2013 9:44:52 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: John W

Paging Mr. Orwell...


23 posted on 12/27/2013 9:45:08 AM PST by martiangohome
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To: driftdiver

This is a bit off the subject. However, remember the investigator for the Aaron Hernandez case, it seemed like he used such tactics to place him at the scene. I think they traced his cell phone signal at the scene or the vehicle GPS signal. Anyway, I debated with myself if even this would violate the Bill of Rights, where the police can use such tactics to retrace your movements.

I do this Aaron was involved with the murder, and there is many other pieces of evidence which suggest this.


24 posted on 12/27/2013 9:45:22 AM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: Labyrinthos

Criminal aliens have more rights than US citizens.

“Compassionnate conservatism” and all that BS.


25 posted on 12/27/2013 9:45:46 AM PST by TurboZamboni ("PEACE ON EARTH TO MEN OF GOOD WILL".)
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To: NormsRevenge

Vying for a Hillary appointment to the SCOTUS


26 posted on 12/27/2013 9:46:11 AM PST by DeWalt (Times are more like they used to be than they are today.)
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To: Labyrinthos
Enforcing our immigration laws would have also worked

And that's why we currently live in the New Immigration Police State.

How can any "nation" survive if its enemies freely walk in and set up houskeeping among us, while our so-called government lectures us and forces us to live with them, even saying that they are us?

It is a permanent state of Treason against the sovereign people, maintained ONLY by a police state.

No such thing was needed prior to 1965.

You say what of the Great Wave from Europe between 1890 - 1920?

Recall the Palmer raids and the fact that the Leftist insurrectionists were summarily thrown out of the country. They went home to their precious Soviet Union where they probably ended up in Work Camp #7. Stalin didn't like rebels either.

The Rainbow Nation don't work. Diversity ain't our strength, it's a mortal blow to the body politic.

27 posted on 12/27/2013 9:47:19 AM PST by Regulator
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To: John W

He’s a paid government shill. A jury composed of Mafia members wouldn’t find a fellow Mafioso guilty either.


28 posted on 12/27/2013 9:53:03 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: John W

U.S. District Judge William Pauley should now allow the world to scrutinize his every communication.


29 posted on 12/27/2013 9:53:46 AM PST by Refugee From NYC
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To: John W
WHen asked to comment to the Meshuge News Network Judge Leon had this to say:


30 posted on 12/27/2013 9:55:20 AM PST by MeshugeMikey ( Its beginning to look a lot like Kwanzaa)
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To: Refugee From NYC

the good news is NY state is shrinking and will have less members in the federal house of rep.

We are seeing the “escape from NY” in real life.


31 posted on 12/27/2013 9:56:08 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: John W

The judge is just another well placed infiltrator in the legal system. These days, most of them are.


32 posted on 12/27/2013 9:57:00 AM PST by Revel
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To: John W
KGB tactics are threats to freedom.

Is ours a "free" country or isn't it?

33 posted on 12/27/2013 9:57:42 AM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: JediJones

Bingo.


34 posted on 12/27/2013 10:00:00 AM PST by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: John W

Corrupt District Judge William H. Pauley In Back Pocket of Obama Admin Says NSA Domestic Spying is Legal

35 posted on 12/27/2013 10:03:35 AM PST by Errant
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To: Eleutheria5

Of course not—and I don’t think Republicans would have let President Bush pass this, either. (I also don’t think it would have ever entered their minds to do so.)


36 posted on 12/27/2013 10:06:01 AM PST by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: John W
"represents the government's counter-punch" to eliminate al-Qaeda's terror network.

We are all al-Qaeda now.

37 posted on 12/27/2013 10:07:52 AM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: John W

A Federal Judge rules that the NSA can keep building the infrastructure for the growing police state in the USA!


38 posted on 12/27/2013 10:09:50 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: John W

Pauley raised the specter of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and how the phone data-collection system could have helped investigators connect the dots before the attacks occurred.

Never mind the Gorelick Wall, Able Danger and three failed strikes at Bin Laden under the watch of the despot that appointed him.

Hard to argue with a liebral ,, much less a liebral Judge.


39 posted on 12/27/2013 10:11:38 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Errant

This judge looks like he escaped from the funny farm.


40 posted on 12/27/2013 10:12:01 AM PST by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: John W
“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.” ― Samuel Adams
41 posted on 12/27/2013 10:12:12 AM PST by 444Flyer (How long O LORD?)
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To: Eleutheria5

I think they keep every phone call, e-mail and voice message and have them stored in Utah to mine after an incident. After they caught the Boston bombers I remember a news show playing a VM of the girl friend that was made before the bombers were caught. How did they get this? If she was under surveillance they would have busted the brothers. Seemed strange then but know makes perfect sense. They dipped into the vault and pulled it out.


42 posted on 12/27/2013 10:14:07 AM PST by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: Rapscallion

You almost called out the Kitties!


43 posted on 12/27/2013 10:14:32 AM PST by Zavien Doombringer (Bringing back the Viking Kitties!!! May the Zot be with you!)
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To: basil

Super computers sorting and pulling conversations based on language, accent, keywords, location/origin of calls. Capture everything, but only concentrate on the ones that trip the parameters.

At least that’s what Michael Crichton wrote how they did it in ‘State of Fear,’ if I recall.

Freegards


44 posted on 12/27/2013 10:15:21 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: basil
He does look a little strange. Many of us fit that category though. :)

I tried to find more about him, but many/most of the articles about him have been removed from the sites I visited.

45 posted on 12/27/2013 10:16:10 AM PST by Errant
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The elder Tsarnaev was almost certainly a US asset who went rogue.

So of course our side was unruffled by repeated Russian warnings.

It is coincidence his Uncle was high up in the CIA...?


46 posted on 12/27/2013 10:18:07 AM PST by gaijin
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To: John W; Revolting cat!

Middle name “Nannybloomberg”?


47 posted on 12/27/2013 10:21:16 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: John W

Now we have 2 federal judges with opposite opinions therefore they nullify each other until the SC chimes in.


48 posted on 12/27/2013 10:21:32 AM PST by plainshame
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To: John W; GeronL
Pauley raised the specter of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and how the phone data-collection system could have helped investigators connect the dots before the attacks occurred.

BULLSTALIN. There is reluctance to interfere with Islamic terrorism. Jihadists are a protected class.

The Ft. Hood shooter was known to be in communication with Al Qaida.

The Boston bombers were known to have been training abroad for jihad.

The war on terror is over. We lost. This is merely a police state presence.

49 posted on 12/27/2013 10:23:10 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: Errant

That’s weird.......


50 posted on 12/27/2013 10:23:49 AM PST by basil (2ASisters.org)
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