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‘Duck Dynasty’ vs. ‘Pajama Boy’: Two Americas?
The Daily Caller ^ | December 18, 2013 | Matt K. Lewis

Posted on 12/19/2013 2:03:34 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

As you’ve probably heard, Duck Dynasty star Phil Robertson has been suspended by A&E over what many are describing as “anti-gay” comments he made to GQ.

So what did he say that was so bad? Here’s an excerpt, via E!:

“‘Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men,’ he tells the magazine. Paraphrasing Corinthians, he says, ‘Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers—they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.’”

… “It seems like, to me, a vagina—as a man—would be more desirable than a man’s anus. That’s just me. I’m just thinking: There’s more there! She’s got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes! You know what I’m saying? But hey, sin: It’s not logical, my man. It’s just not logical.”

… ”We never, ever judge someone on who’s going to heaven, hell. That’s the Almighty’s job. We just love ‘em, give ‘em the good news about Jesus—whether they’re homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort ‘em out later, you see what I’m saying?”

Much of the criticism coming from conservatives (regarding A&E’s decision) has focused on the fact that a). Robertson was merely stating an orthodox Christian position, and b). that this is just his opinion — and he’s entitled to it (and besides, why are people so offended these days?).

But I’ll make another observation: This may be an attack on “unsophisticated” country folks as much as it is an attack on orthodox Christianity.

When you consider the more effete, cosmopolitan America that “Pajama Boy” represents, you’ll get a sense for why the Duck Dynasty folks are out of touch with today’s acceptable norms. There is a huge schism between red state America and blue state America, and these two stories seem to symbolize the yawning chasm.

I’ve always felt that this same dichotomy was at least partly to blame for why the mainstream media hated Sarah Palin so much. It wasn’t merely her conservative positions, but the fact that she was from Alaska — and that she never attempted to conform to their manner of speaking, style, or customs. She didn’t culturally evolve. (Kirsten Gillibrand no longer sleeps with two rifles under her bed, but Sarah from Alaska still goes hunting!)

Along those lines, it’s not just what Robertson said, but how he said it. Suppose, for example, he had simply said: “My faith tradition teaches that traditional marriage is the right path.” It’s hard to imagine that would have landed him in any trouble.

I mean, there are certainly alternate ways to discuss a religious objection to homosexuality that don’t involve “vagina” or “anus.” Perhaps he might have gone that route? (As Erick Erickson, who defended Robertson, concedes: “Certainly some things you or I might have phrased differently, but a self-made man at sixty-five should be shown some latitude.”)

To be sure, always having to make one’s case in the most eloquent and precise manner (in order for it to be deemed acceptable by polite society) may be the first step toward one’s position being deemed unacceptable no matter how finely parsed.

But that doesn’t negate the fact that a big reason this happened is that a pretty regular guy — a guy who hates phonies and tells it like it is — is going to be rhetorically unequipped to navigate the PC land mines that 21st century fame demands.

It has as much to do with class and geography and culture and attitude as it does with religion.

Politics and reality TV are increasingly causing these two worlds to clash. Until we find a way to domesticate these guys with the gun racks in their pickup trucks, I suspect this will be a recurring story.

There really are two Americas.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Philosophy; US: Alaska; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: christianity; christians; duckdynasty; homosexualagenda; homosexuals; pajamaboy; palin; philrobertson; television

1 posted on 12/19/2013 2:03:34 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That isn’t really true. There are not two Americas. There is one America and one anti-America and never the twain shall meet.


2 posted on 12/19/2013 2:13:55 AM PST by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: MestaMachine

Well put.


3 posted on 12/19/2013 2:15:49 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Did the ancients know they were ancients? Or did they see themselves as presents?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

.....just another facet of the attack on Christians. A set up, lead by GQ, to dampen the success of a very popular TV program where each episode ends with a prayer. They never stop.


4 posted on 12/19/2013 2:16:26 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The writer makes a good point that the outrage is driven by country/city differences as much as the Christian/atheist dichotomy.

I'll add the conflict of plain-speaking versus polite dissembling.

5 posted on 12/19/2013 2:23:03 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Yeah. The truth has a funny way of being...the truth...and it is usually pretty straightforward.


6 posted on 12/19/2013 2:31:43 AM PST by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Phil Robertson is in very good company. Jesus and Christianity's opponents used to denigrate Him and his rough-hewn apostles regularly. “How is it that this man has learning, when he has never studied?” [John 7:15] He and His disciples spoke the unvarnished truth; Robertson speaks Biblical truth.

Dennis Prager has written about the two irreconcilable Americas.

7 posted on 12/19/2013 2:34:28 AM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sacrificing truth on the alter of political correctness is what the left does and what it demands everyone else do as well.


8 posted on 12/19/2013 2:35:55 AM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: MestaMachine

When you make your point with very few words it is a powerful thing.


9 posted on 12/19/2013 2:40:19 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Did the ancients know they were ancients? Or did they see themselves as presents?)
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To: Doogle; 2ndDivisionVet; All
Email the Robertson family; tell them to stand strong and united behind a father who spoke Biblical truth. “We love to hear from our fans! Drop us an email at fanmail@duckcommander.com .”

Email A & E at feedbackaetv@aenetworks.com . Tell ‘em you’ll be happy to dump both the network and its sponsors for its craven cowardice in kowtowing to the hectoring “Free speech for me, but not for thee” whimperers.

10 posted on 12/19/2013 2:55:05 AM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"The mobs of great cities add just so much to support of pure government as sores do to the strength of the human body,"

"I think our governments will remain virtuous for many centuries as long as they are chiefly agricultural; and this will be as long as there shall be vacant lands in any part of America. When they get plied upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, they will become corrupt as in Europe."

Thomas Jefferson

11 posted on 12/19/2013 3:16:05 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What I don’t get is why a Christian would do an interview with such a godless, metrosexual magazine to begin with. You have to know that they will bait you with such trap questions.


12 posted on 12/19/2013 3:43:04 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

Perhaps Phil knew full well he would be expressing the truth about homosexuality. Maybe he wanted this boil lanced.

Phil basically said (except for the whole vagina vs. anus part) what all Christian preachers should be saying from the pulpits of America (and Canada). Are they now guilty of “hate” speech as well? What would the lavender mafia do with the truth-speaking preachers of the world?


13 posted on 12/19/2013 3:53:08 AM PST by JudyinCanada
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
>> today’s acceptable norms.

Acceptable?? To whom?

I don't set my standards of acceptable conduct by the whims of effete urban socialists. Indeed, their conduct is generally UNacceptable in my part of WEST Virginia. Today's Acceptable Norms here include that faggotry is repulsive and sinful.

14 posted on 12/19/2013 3:55:35 AM PST by NorthMountain
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To: rhema

I don’t think it’s two Americas as much as it’s two spirits.

Very rapidly, the spirit of anti-Christ is taking over what once was a unified, God-fearing, Judeo-Christian nation.


15 posted on 12/19/2013 3:55:52 AM PST by JudyinCanada
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I do hope the rest of the family will support Phil in this matter, acknowledge the truthfulness of his words, & have A&E drop the whole show.

The big loser will be A&E. Phil & his family don’t need the money.


16 posted on 12/19/2013 3:56:01 AM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

so....a Christian talks about his faith and what is acceptable and what isn’t - and he’s suspended...but any nut case anti-US - pro-death of babies is given any amount of air time to spouse their opinions and beliefs....uhm...

Seems like the shows popularity illustrates where the majority of viewers concentrate their belief system - and it’s not around the gay movement or abortion rights... A&E is in it for the money and could care less about promoting Christian values...same as TLC and their pedophile show Toddlers and Tiaras...


17 posted on 12/19/2013 4:00:21 AM PST by BCW (Salva reipublicae)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I loved the authors comment about Phil being “rhetorically unequipped”. Made me laugh. Phil knew exactly what he was saying. He doesn’t CARE about political correctness.


18 posted on 12/19/2013 4:00:50 AM PST by stansblugrassgrl (PRAISE THE LORD AND PASS THE AMMUNITION!!! YEEEEEHAW!)
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To: JudyinCanada

“I don’t think it’s two Americas as much as it’s two spirits.”

Anyone who has watched daytime TV will quickly realize there are two Americas; normal people have nothing in common with people that are fed this stuff all week while we work our butts off. There is 0 common ground.


19 posted on 12/19/2013 4:05:04 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: rhema

emails done...


20 posted on 12/19/2013 4:06:50 AM PST by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: JudyinCanada

“Very rapidly, the spirit of anti-Christ is taking over what once was a unified, God-fearing, Judeo-Christian nation.”

Sad, but oh, so true, and bears repeating.


21 posted on 12/19/2013 4:07:26 AM PST by trillabodilla (Jesus Saves)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; shove_it; TrueKnightGalahad; ...
Re:

Well, that settles... that--

22 posted on 12/19/2013 4:27:54 AM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: rhema

CEO # is
212-210-9007


23 posted on 12/19/2013 4:40:06 AM PST by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: Donnafrflorida

“This may be an attack on “unsophisticated” country folks as much as it is an attack on orthodox Christianity.”......

Obviously you have not “listened” to how Mr. Robertson speaks, he is no “unsophisticated country folk”. He gets his point across very well and in plain english.

Perhaps I too fall into the same catagory as Mr. Robertson as I had no problem undersanding what he stated.

Duck Dynasty is THE NUMEBER ONE hottest program on the TV, period. Perhaps we all need to boycott A&E and in particular, their sponsors. When they get hit in the pocket book, they don’t like it.


24 posted on 12/19/2013 4:58:20 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: JudyinCanada
...(except for the whole vagina vs. anus part)...

Why the exception? Was the statement not anatomically correct? Does it not follow God's plan at Genesis?

25 posted on 12/19/2013 5:02:20 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ll guarantee you there are far more males who identify with Phil Robertson than Pajama Boy. And I’ll bet far more Dem-voting males I know like Robertson and despise PJ boy. The nitwits who write the ads for lib advocacy campaigns have no idea how different they are from most people in flyover country....that’s where I live. The hip, metrosexual image might resonate in Manhattan or Berkeley, but out here in the middle of the country, those types are sneered at. But where I live many Dems own guns and hunt.


26 posted on 12/19/2013 6:16:51 AM PST by driftless2
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To: JudyinCanada
Perhaps Phil knew full well he would be expressing the truth about homosexuality. Maybe he wanted this boil lanced.

You may be right, and perhaps I was a little hasty in judging the situation. This incident could potentially high-light the true, demonic character of the homosexual movement to the entire nation. The network calling his comments, based on biblical morality, "vile" while granting the opposite characterization of the truly vile culture of homosexuality is really quite bizarre. No one but the most blinded reprobates will fail to notice this supreme irony.

27 posted on 12/19/2013 6:33:57 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: T-Bird45

I only excepted that because I don’t think most pastors would be so graphic in the pulpit. I just found it a little coarse....but not incorrect at all. The phrase I have used is “it’s an exit”.


28 posted on 12/19/2013 6:45:54 AM PST by JudyinCanada
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Politics and reality TV are increasingly causing these two worlds to clash. Until we find a way to domesticate these guys with the gun racks in their pickup trucks, I suspect this will be a recurring story.

The author's solution is bass-ackwards.

29 posted on 12/19/2013 6:51:01 AM PST by MortMan (We've gone from ‘failure is not an option’ to ‘failure is not an obstacle’.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

30 posted on 12/19/2013 7:54:20 AM PST by Gamecock (Celebrating 20,000 posts of dubious quality.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Think of it this way ...

If they were choosing up teams for dodgeball (or an armed revolt), which team leader would you walk toward — Phil Robertson or Pajama Boy?

No hesitation which one I’d choose.


31 posted on 12/19/2013 8:08:13 AM PST by DNME (Something wicked this way comes ...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Politics and reality TV are increasingly causing these two worlds to clash. Until we find a way to domesticate these guys with the gun racks in their pickup trucks, I suspect this will be a recurring story.

The above quote tells me where author is coming from. Does this brain dead maroon even stop to consider that the 'guys with the gun racks in their pickup trucks' might not *want* to be 'domesticated' (whatever *that* is supposed to mean). Just another smug, self righteous urbanite who truly believes that he/she is uniquely equipped to do the thinking for an entire nation, and that their 'one size fits all' solutions are not only appropriate, but essential. Phooey!

the infowarrior

32 posted on 12/19/2013 8:11:27 AM PST by infowarrior
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

John Edwards also said that there are two Americas because his mansion is so big it covers most of one.


33 posted on 12/19/2013 8:15:58 AM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Adder
Then you might want to buy a little Duck Dynasty merchandise from the retailers who have the guts (and the good sense) to continue carrying it. Tell the ones who bail on DD that you’ll be diminishing/discontinuing your purchases there.

Sign up for the “Faith, Family and Ducks” newsletter [ http://duckcommander.com/subscribe ]. Put a note on your calendar to buy something directly from DD [ http://duckcommander.com/store ].

34 posted on 12/19/2013 8:23:47 AM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: rhema

I’ve been needing a tea glass....

LOL

More seriously: have you heard a response from the rest of the family?


35 posted on 12/19/2013 10:37:40 AM PST by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Pajama Boy’s picture needs to be posted on every bulletin board in every union shop in the country. Captioned: DEMOCRAT


36 posted on 12/20/2013 8:45:20 AM PST by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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