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Nevada sage grouse critic calls feds closed-minded
ap ^ | December 16. 2013

Posted on 12/17/2013 8:19:03 PM PST by george76

Elko County Commissioner Grant Gerber suggested the BLM and U.S. Forest Service are seeking comment on a regional sage-grouse conservation plan only to placate critics of the push to protect the greater sage grouse, which is found in 11 Western states, including Nevada, Utah, Idaho and Oregon.

Ranchers, miners, energy developers and state officials fear restrictions on the use of public lands in sage grouse habitat would have deep economic consequences in the rural West. Former Republican Assemblyman John Carpenter said he believes the government is determined to list the chicken-sized game bird as part of a bigger strategy to lock up federal lands.

(Excerpt) Read more at capitalpress.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California; US: Idaho; US: Nevada; US: New Mexico; US: Oregon; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: agenda21; animalrights; ar; blm; endangeredspecies; energy; esa; farmers; grouse; miners; privateproperty; ranchers; sage; sagegrouse; un21; usfa

1 posted on 12/17/2013 8:19:03 PM PST by george76
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To: george76

Sounds like the spotted owl or delta smelt version 2.

Sigh.


2 posted on 12/17/2013 8:19:58 PM PST by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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To: george76

The Feds need to be made to turn over 5% of their lands to the respective States for the next 20 years or so.


3 posted on 12/17/2013 8:22:06 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: volunbeer; jazusamo; Flycatcher; GladesGuru; Cindy; girlangler; Inyo-Mono; Baynative; NVDave; ...

They ecos could hire chicken farmers to raise millions of these birds [ or stop killing endangered eagles and condors if their goal was to protect birds ].

Instead, the thieves want our private property.


4 posted on 12/17/2013 8:24:41 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Paladin2

Can we make it 10% for 10 years or 25% for 4 years. Hey let’s get right to the meat and make it 50% for 2 years.


5 posted on 12/17/2013 8:27:43 PM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: B4Ranch

After the performance of the NPS and USFS during the “shutdown”, the Feds are shown to be poor stewards of the People’s lands.


6 posted on 12/17/2013 8:30:18 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: george76

The other day I had 50 quail in my back yard. I don’t see any problem with just raising a hutch full of sage hens and turning them loose for the neighbors to feed. The damn things are like chickens. They are great to have in the area because they eat all the bugs.


7 posted on 12/17/2013 8:30:50 PM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: george76

“They ecos could hire chicken farmers to raise millions of these birds...”

Yeah, if they could get people interested in eating the damn things we’d have millions of ‘em.


8 posted on 12/17/2013 8:31:59 PM PST by FAA
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To: B4Ranch

“Can we make it 10% for 10 years or 25% for 4 years. Hey let’s get right to the meat and make it 50% for 2 years.”

How about 100% in perpetuity. What business does the Federal Government have owning land?


9 posted on 12/17/2013 8:33:12 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: george76
This sage-grouse thing is part of a larger plan to keep us, citizens of the U.S., and real owners of Federal land off our own land. No more four wheeling, hunting, or recreating on these lands. This also affects a huge of area of north eastern California where thousands of tourists come to see the spectacular scenery of the Eastern High Sierra and spend money in our small tourist oriented towns.
10 posted on 12/17/2013 8:36:50 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: B4Ranch

the Oregon Natural Desert Association has convinced the U.S. Bureau of Land Management to to fork over $305,000 in attorney fees in a lawsuit over grazing in Oregon’s Louse Canyon area .

ONDA wanted to shut down grazing in the area, which is managed by BLM, due to alleged harms to the greater sage grouse, a candidate for federal protection under the Endangered Species Act.

The group also demanded the tearing down of fences and shutting down of cattle watering structures in the Louse Canyon Geographic Management Area, claiming they disturbed the bird’s habitat.

http://www.capitalpress.com/article/20131212/ARTICLE/131219956/1008


11 posted on 12/17/2013 8:55:31 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Another critter needing ‘critical habitat.

Enviro’s are like lens lice, as Hebrews 13:8 sez.


12 posted on 12/17/2013 8:58:14 PM PST by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - Because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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Sage chickens are sooo rare and endangered, that the last time I drove the road from Deeth to the Bruneau River in Nevada, I ran over over 20 of them and most certainly not on purpose, the darn things are worse than bunny rabbits. There are endless quantities of them all over the state, from the Sheldon Antellope Range all the way across the Mary’s River.


13 posted on 12/17/2013 8:59:43 PM PST by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: george76

“The group also demanded the tearing down of fences and shutting down of cattle watering structures in the Louse Canyon Geographic Management Area, claiming they disturbed the bird’s habitat.”

Unless the fence is higher than the birds can fly, the fence does not seriously negatively impact a bird.

Doesn’t anyone attend these meetings and make fun of these fools?

After all, what is a cattle fence to a bird?


14 posted on 12/17/2013 9:03:32 PM PST by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - Because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: Paladin2

No, they need to turn over 95% forever.

The Fedgov does not need land for any purposes other than the enumerated ones.


15 posted on 12/17/2013 9:10:44 PM PST by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Inyo-Mono
This sage-grouse thing is part of a larger plan to keep us, citizens of the U.S., and real owners of Federal land off our own land. No more four wheeling, hunting, or recreating on these lands. This also affects a huge of area of north eastern California where thousands of tourists come to see the spectacular scenery of the Eastern High Sierra and spend money in our small tourist oriented towns.

The workers and peasants need to be moved to small apartments in urban areas. They can't appreciate the beauty of nature, anyway.

16 posted on 12/17/2013 9:22:38 PM PST by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: dsc

How bout the states one by one, offer the Feds the purchase price at the time of purchase plus the interest rate at that time till now? Be interesting to watch the Feds wiggle out of that one. I hate to capitalize Feds.

Merry Christmas!


17 posted on 12/17/2013 9:22:52 PM PST by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: Paladin2

How about 85% of NV being turned back over? The feds control about that in the state. I seem to remember someone saying it was part of the agreement to be granted statehood.


18 posted on 12/17/2013 9:34:36 PM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: george76; All

We had a similar problem, (on a different species), with the damn Feds down here.

The Feds respond quickly to Liberal pressure groups, with little regard to field evidence.

The Feds are not interested in, have no money for, and have no time to do field research.

What the Feds’ main guideline is what they call “Use the best Science available.”

Down here that was a sorry thumbnail study dating back to the 1960s.

We challenged them on their lack of field knowledge, lack of recent Scientific studies, and brought in landowner, State and University professionals who volunteered to do their own Scientific studies.

Eventually, the Feds backed off.


19 posted on 12/17/2013 9:42:12 PM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: george76

Evidently it’s fine to wipe out eagles by the bushel for some failed attempts at wind power though.


20 posted on 12/17/2013 10:14:06 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: dsrtsage

The truth is, sage grouse are so stupid, they don’t hack it in a competitive environment.

You should see how stupid sage grouse are when they’re in a hay field and you’re running a mower with a 180HP engine, howling turbo and hydraulic systems over a rotary cutter head. I mean the noise is on part with a small jet on takeoff... and these stupid birds will hunker down until the cutter head is only 2’ off of them, then they’ll try to flush, but because they waited so long, you can’t stop in time (even tho you’re moving at only 6 to 8 MPH) and the bird ends up going through the machine. You hear them go through - because you hear the conditioner rolls come apart and then slam back together.

So now you have to pull back the throttle, disengage the cutter head, get out a plastic bag, go behind the machine and pick up all the bird pieces. Why? Because if you leave them in the windrow and you bale them up into the hay, when cows eat that hay, they die of botulism poisoning. Kills cows stone dead.

Stupid birds. Really, really stupid.


21 posted on 12/17/2013 10:30:04 PM PST by NVDave
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To: NVDave

Informing post.

Thanks.

I gotta get into hunting grouse.


22 posted on 12/17/2013 10:37:58 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: GladesGuru

“Doesn’t anyone attend these meetings and make fun of these fools?”

What I have seen is that people do attend the meetings and voice outrage and such. The FS discreetly moves along with their liberal agenda to close off lands and roads, but slows the process down a bit. They then hold another meeting and stress the point that they previously held a meeting for public comment. They slowly move ahead a bit more with their liberal agenda. They then use the press to cover their butts to say “we held meetings to listen to you” and continue on with their liberal agenda. If they did not hold the meetings for people to voice their opposition in a responsible and ‘civil’ manner then when they finally do close roads and ban use of the land all hell would break loose, as it should anyway. Having the meetings gives people an excuse to shake their heads and say things like “at least we tried” and “this isn’t the country I remember” etc. The comment periods and meetings have proven to be a great way for the FED to act like they really give a crap what you or I think and proceed with their plans. In essence, a pressure relief valve.


23 posted on 12/17/2013 10:51:44 PM PST by Carthego delenda est
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To: rktman

Here is a good map showing what the feds have in the west

http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/291-federal-lands-in-the-us


24 posted on 12/17/2013 10:58:37 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (This is not just stupid, we're talking Democrat stupid here.)
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To: NVDave
The truth is, sage grouse are so stupid, they don’t hack it in a competitive environment.

I recall hunting them in Wyoming, as an 8-yr old with a .410.

You could walk right up to a covey feeding on the ground. Then, from 25-30' away, pick them off one-by-one (it wasn't sport, it was dinner). They wouldn't flush unless you started shouting and ran right in amongst 'em.

This bird is not long for survival, that's for sure.

25 posted on 12/17/2013 10:58:46 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Paladin2

Like states are in a position to MAKE the fed gov do anything while they are taking Federal Money for literally everything.

...as to your mentioned stats on fed land, a misnomer if ever there was one. The number needs to be more like 95 percent forever.


26 posted on 12/17/2013 11:19:36 PM PST by wita
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To: NVDave

If those stupid birds go on the ESL they will be treated like eagles, and you will be fined for harvesting them, or worse.


27 posted on 12/17/2013 11:25:49 PM PST by wita
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To: george76
The density of sage grouse on the Deseret Ranch in Woodruff Utah is TEN TIMES what it is on the surrounding BLM land. Sage grouse need fresh vegetation to eat. They won't get that from a decadent sage monoculture.

Only a year ago, I did a vegetative transect of US 50 in Nevada. It was a repeat of one done 15 years prior. The ONLY places where there was sufficient disturbance to produce consistent grass cover and forbs with which to provide the food sage grouse need was along fence lines where ranchers drive their cattle in dense bunches. I have the photographs and logs to prove it.

28 posted on 12/17/2013 11:34:50 PM PST by Carry_Okie (0-Care IS Medicaid; they'll pull a sheet over your head and take everything you own to pay for it.)
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To: NVDave

See above.


29 posted on 12/17/2013 11:37:16 PM PST by Carry_Okie (0-Care IS Medicaid; they'll pull a sheet over your head and take everything you own to pay for it.)
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To: george76
Sage grouse hunting in E.Or. in the early 70’s was a joke compared to our bag limits in W. Id. The environment and other conditions appeared to be the same, but, the sage grouse seemed to prefer to die across the border in Id.
30 posted on 12/18/2013 1:02:05 AM PST by crazyhorse691 (Obama is just the symptom of what is destroying the U.S.)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Thanks. I was off on NV by less than 1% so that’s good. Well, bad if you look at it from Nevadans viewpoint. Good from the “lyin’ king” and feds viewpoint.


31 posted on 12/18/2013 5:17:18 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: george76
“These people don’t give a damn about the sage grouse. All it is is for control,” Carpenter told the Elko Daily Free Press

In my view Carpenter is correct plus they want to control private land use within and adjacent to these public lands. If they're successful the EPA, eco freaks and BLM enviro-nazis will be celebrating for years to come.

32 posted on 12/18/2013 8:30:47 AM PST by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: Inyo-Mono

Amen, I-M.


33 posted on 12/18/2013 8:33:53 AM PST by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: jazusamo

Lenin would be proud.


34 posted on 12/18/2013 9:11:14 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman

Merry Christmas to you, and a happy and prosperous New Year.


35 posted on 12/19/2013 12:27:05 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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