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1 posted on 12/14/2013 3:25:15 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
These so-called "working-age retirees" are exactly the same troops who were given these promises in exchange for fighting

I know I'm going to get bashed for this but this is exactly the same as federal workers. It's interesting how "promises" for military are "entitlements" for federal workers.

I see nothing wrong with cutting either just as long as they also cut the entitlement programs. We can't spend more than we have.

2 posted on 12/14/2013 3:33:38 AM PST by HarleyD (...one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.)
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To: SkyPilot

Too many military retirees vote Republican.

Sorry.


4 posted on 12/14/2013 3:48:58 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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Congress and the President should set the example and go first. But, they won’t. Like the Pelosi said they too should embrace the “suck”


11 posted on 12/14/2013 4:28:45 AM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededicaton to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution...)
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Here is what my Representative FROM the Congress TO me has figured out. Tim Walz D MN.
He'll collect his Congressional pension, retired teacher's pension, and a retired military pension. I think he will be able to eek out a fair living for a while.
19 posted on 12/14/2013 4:50:57 AM PST by fishnuts2 (Liberals are anything except liberal.)
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here is an idea, lets stop giving free money to people that don’t work and lets make food stamps good for milk, bread, peanut butter, and baby formula only.


20 posted on 12/14/2013 5:01:11 AM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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I would accept the 1% cut to help out but I think Congress and all other entitlement programs should do the same. One other option is to give each new military retiree a lump sum retirement versus a lifetime pension. It would save the government a ton of money and it would allow the military retiree an opportunity to invest or become an entrepreneur. I would have jumped at the chance! I believe the average retiree will collect well over $1,000,000 over the years. A quick $250,000 should do the trick.


21 posted on 12/14/2013 5:05:58 AM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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“Veterans Hardest Hit” is the new propaganda campaign the left is going to use to go after the military vote. It will be tied to any legislation the republicans are suckered into passing by the democrats. It will be tied to natural disasters that can be blamed on republicans refusing to acknowledge global warming. Are you against abortion? Veterans Hardest Hit! Do you support a balanced budget? Veterans Hardest Hit!

Food prices, gas prices, medical care, cats and dogs fighting, broken nails, you name it, Veterans Hardest Hit will be proclaimed by every media outlet every time the republicans so much as pass gas.


31 posted on 12/14/2013 6:03:12 AM PST by TruthBeforeAll
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Like anything else concerning government entitlements, benefits or whatever, it is situational. We all have known people who scam the government-—be it VA benefits, food stamps or whatever. Federal pensions carry the same element of “deservability.” Astronauts are federal employees as are AID employees, CIA agents, federal law enforcement employees etc. who deal with equivalent dangers and hardships of our soldiers, sailors and marines. And as a veteran, I have also known military members who may have moved once after basic/advanced training, never faced danager, did 20 years and were out at age with 1/2 pay pension. Maybe there should be levels of pension compensation based not only on age and pay, but the content of ones career. Most likely, Congressional members would not fare well under such a system.
32 posted on 12/14/2013 6:10:16 AM PST by yetidog
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I am going to make everybody here mad with this but the Military Compensation Package must be cut.

It part of my job to look at the numbers for DOD contractors and I have very good info that we paid real money for not the result of some shill for one cause or another.

The Facts are stark. The Military Compensation Package has always been the largest component of DOD spending and this percentage is rising at a very alarming rate due to the compounding of pay increases during the GWOT and medical costs. The slice of the pie that is discretionary consists of two parts, Procurement and Research and Technology. Due to the way Washington allocates money these two are lumped together it is a true zero sum. Until 2024 the CAGR of this slice of the pie is only 1.9%, in budget dollars but with inflation this is actually has a negative real growth rate.

If everybody was not mad at me before the will be now; but the casualties for the GWOT was remarkably light. I say this despite the fact that I lost two close friends early on. I live, they are gone.

The reason they were so light is unarguably due to the equipment and technology that provided a overwhelming technological advantage, or force multiplier to our commanders. This suite was enabled by investments in systems procured and R&T done before the conflict.

What this means in real no BS terms is that we are truly facing a Hollow Force similar to the Carter Years in the very near future. This was a very bad time for us in the military, I know I was there.

We did not even have hot water on base, though more the more enterprising of us disobeyed orders bought and installed small hot water heaters so the golden boys could have a hot shower after a long flight in a single seat fighter, if you get my drift.

My whole point is which is more responsible for us to do now? Slow down the growth in personnel costs now or pay for it later with the blood of a group of kids that are still in grade school?

This is not rhetoric but fact based on US History.


34 posted on 12/14/2013 6:26:28 AM PST by Ocoeeman (Reformed Rocked Scientist)
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Looks like we get the shaft again.

Anyone remember Redux?

The High 3 plan?

What are they going to call this one?

BOHICOLA?


62 posted on 12/14/2013 8:10:01 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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