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My rep, Adrian Smith, voted right, but Jeff Fortenberry and Terry Lee both voted wrong. I guess they want to fit in with the crowd. Maybe I shouldn’t take Smith for granted. He almost always votes right, but I’m disappointed that he doesn’t realize the need for bold action in desperate times.

81 posted on 12/13/2013 12:25:00 PM PST by butterdezillion (Free online faxing at http://faxzero.com/ Fax all your elected officials. Make DC listen.)

“Adapt” and compromise. Okay, I got you pegged and filed. Game on.

AS I said initially, if the GOPe has taken their smart pills and compromised to take an electoral issue away from the Democrats this election cycle - good.

If they haven't, rage on. I don't see what's so hard to understand about this - and you don't need to ping anyone else to the conversation, it's all out there for everyone to see.

82 posted on 12/13/2013 2:50:39 PM PST by MikefromOhio

Polished apple types fit very nicely in a noose when the hostilities are in full force.

As ever, thanks for your efforts here, ma'am! God bless you and yours!

83 posted on 12/13/2013 2:53:32 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)

If this budget passes with republican support in the Senate, then it is time to say goodfreakinbye to the GOP.

The GOP had the House Senate and Presidency for howmany years? 4 or 6?. Did they build a stinking fence? Did they deport the Illegals? Did they Balance the Budget? NO NO NO.

I am in favor of destroying the GOP if this budget passes. 23 billion after ten years? Please. Nope .....if it passes we start a new Party....not from the bottom up....that takes a million years. From the top down. Maybe 50 in the House and 20 in the Senate could form a new Party overnight.

If you Repubs pass this budget because your AFRAID of a Shutdown of the Government, its WAR....BECAUSE WE KEEP THIS CRAP UP AND THERE WON’T BE A GOVERNMENT TO SHUT DOWN.

84 posted on 12/13/2013 3:21:24 PM PST by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, WIN LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)

To: MikefromOhio

At least I didn’t use freepmail, which is obviously your inclination to deal with a rumble.

FR probably won’t be, altogether, your chummiest venue for that “adaption” and “compromise” spew you’re trying to run here.

Take an early hint.

85 posted on 12/13/2013 3:22:48 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)

The big vote will be the cloture vote and they are signaling there intent.

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/12/13/mccain-im-inclined-to-vote-with-democrats-for-cloture-on-this-boehnerryan-budget-deal/

With 53 Democrats and two independents expected to back the measure, four Republicans
— John McCain of Arizona, Susan Collins of Maine, Jeff Flake of Arizona and Richard
Burr of North Carolina — said that they would vote to cut off debate on the budget,
putting proponents just one vote shy of advancing the measure to final passage.

Several additional GOP senators signaled Friday that they may also vote to advance
the deal, including Sens. Bob Corker of Tennessee, Lisa Murkowksi of Alaska and
John Hoeven of North Dakota, giving proponents new confidence that a messy and
acrimonious first session of the 113th Congress appears close to ending just before Christmas…
end snip

86 posted on 12/13/2013 3:30:37 PM PST by deport

if THE senate passes this crap these Republicans should form a new party before the NewYear.

87 posted on 12/13/2013 3:34:10 PM PST by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, WIN LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)

It is unbelieveable ....this GOP will close its eyes at the suffering of the American people in the hope that their pain will move them to vote for the GOP. WORTHLESS.

88 posted on 12/13/2013 4:35:20 PM PST by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, WIN LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)

“The Not As Bad As Them” strategy is hopeless

89 posted on 12/13/2013 4:37:14 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)

To: MikefromOhio; octex; Dr. Sivana; RitaOK; fieldmarshaldj; GailA; Tennessee Nana; onyx; shibumi; ...

MikefromOhio:

I am going to ping a few people to remind them to take a look at this thread and your, ummm, contributions here as well as your home page. As with most discussions, the more the merrier.

1. Is that despicable POS Boehner, golfer and drunken Weeper of the House extraordinaire and all purpose suck up for the GOP-E and the Demonrat agenda masters, the donors Almighty, and servant of Muffie, Skipper and the folks down at the polo club, YOUR congresscritter or YOUR brother-in-law???? Otherwise, after the many, many historical examples of the abject failure of the policy of GOP-E quislingism which you applaud, what possible justification can there be for further abject groveling before such a cretin? The well-being of Muffie's trust fund? The perceived best interests of Mitt Romney's class of the clueless? Apropos of the season, the financial lusts for crony capitalism of Banker Potter, portrayed by Lionel Barrymore in It's a Wonderful Life? Even from his wheelchair or his grave, old Potter would do a better job than Boehner and McConnell and their ilk.

2. Herbert Hoover, Alf Landon, Wendell Willke, Tom Dewey, Dwight David Eisenhower, Richard Nixon, Barry Goldwater (as a social revolutionary and Planned Barrenhood acolyte), Richard Nixon again, Gerald Ford, George Herbert Walker Bush, Robert (Tax Collector for the Welfare State) Dole, George Walker Bush (to a lesser extent than several others), John McCain, George Romney. Conservatives (social, fiscal 2nd Amendment and military) have been patient enough. NO MORE PATIENCE! We ARE the base of the party as the Green-Eyeshade crowd are not. Gerald Ford, not only a POTUS by appointment but also a former GOP "leader" in service to Demonrats of his time in the House is the permanent poster boy, along with Herbert Hoover for that GOP-E "moderation" that is simply no longer acceptable. If the GOP-E does not like that, TOOOOO BAD!

3. Then there is the pretense that liberalism (the actual creed and accurate description of the "GOP" "moderates") is "smart." Ronaldus Maximus ran on unrestrained conservatism and crammed it down the throats of the liberals in the GOP, in the nation and even in the former soviet union, rendering it former.

4. Wow, "our" leaders and their quisling followers, made a deal with their leftist masters: to fund Obozocare, to lock in all sorts of leftist outrages and fund them, to kiss the posteriors of Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Schmuckie Chewmer and even Obozo Almighty and his whole gang. We should be soooooo proud that they took their "smart pills," or their hemlock or their orders from elitist headquarters or whatever. One of the most ridiculous pretensions of the left and their love slaves is that it is "smart" to be their love slaves or their actual slaves or whatever.

5. Gollee!!! It's such a shame. "We" could have re-elected Richard Lugar. "We" could have elected Mike Castle or Charlie Limpwrist Crist. "We" could have elected David Dewcrap instead of Ted Cruz. "We" might have begged Kay Quisling Hutchinson to run just one more time. Maybe "we" could talk Lowell Weicker out of retirement, always a reliable trustfunder senator. BUT NOOOOO. Those "extremists" would have none of these. A good thing, too!

6. If "we" win the 2014 election and carry the Senate as well as the House, then the quisling excuse will be that Obozo is still in the White House and will veto everything "we" might do. So there is no point in doing anything unless and until "we" can elect Chatsworth Worthington XXXII as "our" new POTUS. Old Chatsworth can be counted on to name "our" sort of polo clubbers to the SCOTUS and extend the mass murder of the unborn and embrace perversions scarcely yet imagined as worthy of status as "marriages" under law (14th Amendment treasure chest don'tcha know), disarm the peasants (RTKBA be damned!), and dozens or even hundreds of other elitist judicial agenda items. Think of all the lovely promises "our" "leaders" and their faithful legislative lapdogs can break!

7. Damned straight we will rage on. There you will be adapting and compromising until there is literally nothing left to compromise away. And from another of your posts here, you bet it isn't a popularity contest. RitaOK certainly does have you pegged. For every "Republican" like you, there are three Democrats waiting to hear from a principled Republican Party for the first time since Ronaldus Maximus left office.

8. Not one nickel to the national GOP, its Senate and House campaign committees, or its other fronts, nor to anything attached to Karl Rove or to any other GOP-E figure. No votes for any of their candidates unless it is clear that the candidate can be trusted to reject and terminate the influence of the GOP-E over the GOP. NO PATIENCE WITH or TOLERATION of the quislings and their consistent brainless breaking of any and all promises to the base because the GOP-E somehow hallucinates that it knows better what is good for us than we know for ourselves.

9. If your mother had been inclined to abort you, would you prefer that she be governed by morals and by principle or by convenience and by temporary comfort? Same thing with "GOP" leaders who crawl on their bellies like reptiles indulging the fantasy that it is somehow "progress" to abort our nation and its constitution retroactively.

10. Even Goldwater once asked whether you would want a cashier in your employ to be "extremely" honest or "moderately" so. I prefer my party and its legislators to be extremely principled and to lead the nation, state and county of my residence accordingly. Reagan did that nationally. My county officials, despite imperfections from time to time, do that on a county level. If Illinois should ever have an actual Republican Party (not a wholly owned subsidiary of the Chicago Demonrat Machine and not some sorry thing reflected by Senator Nancyboy Kirk), that Republican Party should do well on a state level. An active effort to suppress vote fraud would make such a party win, even in Illinois.

11. Meanwhile, I will NEVER vote for Kirk nor for my Congressquisling Kinzinger nor for any other candidate like either. When the current Illinois faux GOP has been reduced to a radioactive ash heap, we can rebuild and it should not take long.

12. If you don't want to be part of an actually principled political party, you won't be missed and you won't be alone. The USA is still marginally a free country no thanks to such slime as the Boehners, the McConnells, the Kirks, the Kinzingers, and their ilk. If a principled Republican Party wins and governs, you can benefit from the free ride while contributing nothing. You are welcome. If such a party (and consequently, our nation) fails, see you in Gulag II. What WILL you tell your grandchildren, if any, you found more important than our nation and its freedom?

90 posted on 12/13/2013 4:37:23 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)

At least I didn’t use freepmail, which is obviously your inclination to deal with a rumble.

FR probably won’t be, altogether, your chummiest venue for that “adaption” and “compromise” spew you’re trying to run here.

Take an early hint.

Hey Noob, I was on FR before you even discovered the internet. It's called the game of politics. Another government shutdown doesn't help anyone. The sequester cuts were destroying our military. I'm sorry that you can't swallow the bitter pill, but if I am reading the tea leaves properly, this deal basically takes away any electoral advantages the Democrats had going into the primary and midterm seasons.

NOW - and this is something you continue to miss NOOBling - the focus is and will always be on the failure that is Obamacare and how that will be the straw that breaks the Democrat coalition with the low information voter.

Back in the day, we called it Strategery on FR. I'm sorry the concept is entirely lost on you.

91 posted on 12/13/2013 4:38:02 PM PST by MikefromOhio

To: MikefromOhio

Republicans voting to raise taxes and spending and pissing off their own base helps the Republicans how?

If this keeps on, I will be hoping they lose. The country is going down and the Republicans are pissing on it.

92 posted on 12/13/2013 4:40:30 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)

To: MikefromOhio

"Hey Noob, I was on FR before you even discovered the internet."

I'd watch throwing around the n00b bit, Boyo. You come in with an arrogant 'tude and make provocative and insulting posts and then vanish for months at a stretch. That's the textbook def of a troll.

93 posted on 12/13/2013 4:52:22 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)

To: MikefromOhio; BlackElk; Jim Robinson

That is a real game changer there, shooter. You, on FR before me. (Applause all around.)

You sitting at the knee of strategy and hollow victory chasing tells me all I need to know. I am going to coin a phrase. You’re going to be my poster child for an *Establishment Runner. Count on it.

Peddle that strategery schlick, and that “must adapt” and “compromise”, elsewhere, and just settle on the truth here at FR.

Just go ahead and say it. Say that you are really just open to Establishment ritual caving, but with even more regularity, and that you would like to bring other freepers along. You know, wise them up.

94 posted on 12/13/2013 5:01:49 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)

To: BlackElk; fieldmarshaldj; MikefromOhio

Bring it, boys. The seasonal freeper trolls are working the corner lamp post again.

95 posted on 12/13/2013 5:32:48 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)

To: MikefromOhio

The TEA party is marginalized. Look at how the middle 40% reacts when you say TEA party. It's called reality.

Most of the "middle" 40% doesn't form an opinion on the Tea Party because of its position on non-fiscal issues. Many of them pick candidates based on their own ability to identify with the candidates, their perceptions of the candidate's character and ability. Their choices are only partially (and not primarily) rooted in individual issues. When Ross Perot ran in 1992, I remember how many silly Republicans thought that he was taking votes from Clinton, because Perot's positions were liberal. They were liberal, but he came across as a self-made, down to earth, wizened ol' cracker barrel common sense kind of a guy who could get things done. The Republicans LET him brand himself.

I am in Wisconsin, a state that was happy to elect Scott Walker twice against virulent opposition, but also Tammy Baldwin, his polar opposite on all issues. While a different electorate DOES come out for off-year elections, Walker's recall vote was at near presidential levels. Tommy Thompson, who is VERY much the kind of guy whom you might describe as reasonable and proven, lost big to Tammy Baldwin in the same year that Walker wins big as well. The answer CANNOT be "move to the center" with those results in a mixed state like Wisconsin. Crazies like Baldwin HAVE to be exposed for who they are, and it's not going to happen on fiscal issues alone. Thompson never had a chance to define Baldwin, who came out with a soft-spoken, easy on the senses campaign theme that belied her real self (admittedly, the primary didn't help on Thompson's side, but he had no right to coronation.)

Perhaps the best example I can think of to show hard core conservative versus pragmatist was G.H.W. Bush '88 versus G.H.W. Bush '92. The '88 version ran as kinder/gentler Reagan, and was MING the MERCILESS to Dukakis. Atwater knew how to run a campaign. And when the media and the Dems complain about Willie Horton and negative campaigning, it means YOU ARE WINNING. The '92 version of GHWB ran from Buchanan's speech at the convention after the NY Times took three days to try to make it an attack point, never truly engaged Clinton OR Perot, and of course had to explain the "pragmatic" tax increases that Bush signed off on after saying Read My Lips.

The House as a whole, and the Senate in large part ran against Obamacare and against Porculus. When the McConnells and the Boehners save their best retorts for those who are trying to honor their commitments, the enemy, the GOP-E, is in the midst.

The GOP-E has dropped its mask, and has called some of us plenty of names. They are clearly willing to peel off some seats to maintain the status quo table. That approach will NEVER appeal to the 40%; a strong appeal to those who see the country they love being fundamentally transformed will take a good chunk of them, perhaps even attracting some old style Dems who cannot identify with a Bush or a Romney, but could with a Cruz or a Walker, and DID with a Reagan.

96 posted on 12/13/2013 7:55:28 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)

To: MikefromOhio; RitaOK; BlackElk; TheOldLady

America was founded as a Christian Nation with a Constitution "made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." (Sam Adams)

That does not infer morality, it demands it.

Our (my) rights under this constitution are not conferred by that document. It is merely a codification of what the Founders thought to be self evident.

Among the many things that canot be compromised are fiscal integrity, the right to self defense and bearing arms against tyranny and the sanctity of human life. (Said sanctity to be voided when one attempts to compromise the rights of Free Men.

The GOP has shown itself over a period of decades to be a hollow shell of a party complicit in the destruction of the pillars of The Republic. They need to be shown the door and replaced with men who are as firm in their duty to restore The Republic as the DemoCommunists and their Felloow Travelers are in destroying it.

"In any compromise between Good and Evil it is only Evil that can profit" (Ayn Rand)

Even an Atheist can grasp this simple philosophical tenant.

97 posted on 12/13/2013 8:10:22 PM PST by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)

To: MikefromOhio; RitaOK; BlackElk; fieldmarshaldj; TheOldLady; Darksheare; Old Sarge; Arrowhead1952; ..

98 posted on 12/13/2013 8:27:08 PM PST by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)

BRAVO!

I am fairly certain that such talk of rock ribbed moral requirements for exemplary and virtuous governance goes over the top of heads today, among these slick, quick young players of strictly pinnash politics, in it for the thrill of the game.

Thank you. Rita

99 posted on 12/13/2013 8:36:13 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)

To: shibumi; RitaOK; BlackElk; TheOldLady

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100 posted on 12/13/2013 8:50:54 PM PST by Old Sarge (And Good Evening, Agent Smith, wherever you are...)

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