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Posted on 12/11/2013 6:31:03 AM PST by Morgana
Hear hear
I applaud your honesty
Ouch...nice work
Criticize the pope and go to hell?
Can folks who utter such nonsense even imagine how crazy that sounds to fundamentalists or praise based denominations
I agree with you
I have sadly watched his utterances degenerate but some Catholics here just deny it
Francis is a progressive....no question
Rush....Levin....you and me see it
Its amazing....the Pope institution is quite venerable to them
I can only suspect a shift in the College of Cardinals accounts for this new direction after JPII and Benedict being so spot on
Conspiracy folks claim this and Benedict’s resignation are not accidents
>> Does any Catholic here see this?
Please excuse those of us that are too #ing dense.
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Feel free to make all the apolgetics you wish for Francis' irresponsible blabbing. I won't. I'm 55 years old and have been blessed in my lifeltime to have seen our Churech on Earth led by holy men who I could love and admire. I can't put Francis in that category yet. But that doesn't bother me. Francis wouldn't be the first lousy Pope the Church has had to endure and unless Bishop Malachy is correct he won't be the last.
I see it plain and clear. We’ve been lucky with JPII and Holy Benedict. Francis is something altogether different.
Or fellow Catholics educated in their faith. The Catholic Church is the Mystical Boby of Christ. It is NOT a personality cult of the Pope.
For you to believe they don't do this in a way to distribute their liberal world view displays ignorance beyond belief.
Why is it, then, that C-Fam's president, Austin Ruse (google that), reports that the Vatican is considered to be Public Enemy Number One by the ACTUAL "One World Government, New World Order socialist" team?
The Vatican has no vote at the UN, and seeks no vote. But they ally with small, sovereignty-loving states and help them resist intrusive, Leviathan-like bulling from the UN and other international agencies.
Their liberty-defending practice contrasts with your theory. They do not embody One World Socialism: they're one of the few UN member states who consistently oppose it.
Are you serious? You are taking some heavy meds today.
Below is a compilation of recent quotes by Francis that has RCAs either upset with the pope or explaining him as supporting what they support - despite them sounding different in doing so. See http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2013/09/scolding-pope-francis-naive-and.html for a variety.
Pope Francis’s honors Nelson Madela: “Paying tribute to the steadfast commitment shown by Nelson Mandela in promoting the human dignity of all the nation’s citizens and in forging a new South Africa built on the firm foundations of non-violence, reconciliation and truth, I pray that the late President’s example will inspire generations of South Africans to put justice and the common good at the forefront of their political aspirations.” - http://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pubblico/2013/12/06/0813/01830.html
VATICAN CITY (CNS)
Pope Benedict XVI and other church leaders said it was the moral responsibility of nations to guarantee access to health care for all of their citizens, regardless of social and economic status or their ability to pay.
Governments are obligated, therefore, to adopt the proper legislative, administrative and financial measures to provide such care along with other basic conditions that promote good health, such as food security, water and housing, the cardinal said. - http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1004736.htm
Meet the Newest Anti-Fracking Activist: Pope Francis [REAL?]
“If the Christian is a restorationist, a legalist, if he wants everything clear and safe, then he will find nothing. Tradition and memory of the past must help us to have the courage to open up new areas to God. Those who today always look for disciplinarian solutions, those who long for an exaggerated doctrinal ‘security,’ those who stubbornly try to recover a past that no longer exists—they have a static and inward-directed view of things.”
“The church’s pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently.”
“I used to receive letters from homosexual persons who are ‘socially wounded’ because they tell me that they feel like the church has always condemned them. But the church does not want to do this. During the return flight from Rio de Janeiro I said that if a homosexual person is of good will and is in search of God, I am no one to judge. By saying this, I said what the catechism says. Religion has the right to express its opinion in the service of the people, but God in creation has set us free: it is not possible to interfere spiritually in the life of a person.”
“Religious men and women are prophets...Being prophets may sometimes imply making waves. I do not know how to put it.... Prophecy makes noise, uproar, some say ‘a mess.’ But in reality, the charism of religious people is like yeast: prophecy announces the spirit of the Gospel.” “The people of God want pastors, not clergy acting like bureaucrats or government officials. The bishops, particularly, must be able to support the movements of God among their people with patience, so that no one is left behind. But they must also be able to accompany the flock that has a flair for finding new paths.”
“Let us think of the religious sisters living in hospitals. They live on the frontier. I am alive because of one of them. When I went through my lung disease at the hospital, the doctor gave me penicillin and streptomycin in certain doses. The sister who was on duty tripled my doses because she was daringly astute; she knew what to do because she was with ill people all day. The doctor, who really was a good one, lived in his laboratory; the sister lived on the frontier and was in dialogue with it every day.”
“Thinking with the church, therefore, is my way of being a part of this people. And all the faithful, considered as a whole, are infallible in matters of belief, and the people display this infallibilitas in credendo, this infallibility in believing, through a supernatural sense of the faith of all the people walking together.”
“This is how it is with Mary: If you want to know who she is, you ask theologians; if you want to know how to love her, you have to ask the people. In turn, Mary loved Jesus with the heart of the people, as we read in the Magnificat. We should not even think, therefore, that ‘thinking with the church’ means only thinking with the hierarchy of the church.” - - www.americamagazine.org/pope-interview
“Proselytism is solemn nonsense, it makes no sense. We need to get to know each other, listen to each other and improve our knowledge of the world around us. Sometimes after a meeting I want to arrange another one because new ideas are born and I discover new needs. This is important: to get to know people, listen, expand the circle of ideas. The world is crisscrossed by roads that come closer together and move apart, but the important thing is that they lead towards the Good.”
“Everyone has his own idea of good and evil and must choose to follow the good and fight evil as he conceives them. That would be enough to make the world a better place.”
“You know what I think about this? Heads of the Church [likely TRC heroes] have often been narcissists, flattered and thrilled by their courtiers. The court is the leprosy of the papacy.”
“I went to university. I also had a teacher for whom I had a lot of respect and developed a friendship and who was a fervent communist. She often read Communist Party texts to me and gave them to me to read...”Her materialism had no hold over me. But learning about it through a courageous and honest person was helpful. I realized a few things, an aspect of the social, which I then found in the social doctrine of the Church.”
“...when I meet a clericalist, I suddenly become anti-clerical. Clericalism should not have anything to do with Christianity. St. Paul, who was the first to speak to the Gentiles [Peter was], the pagans, to believers in other religions, was the first to teach us that.”
Can I ask you, Your Holiness, which saints you feel closest to in your soul, those who have shaped your religious experience?
“St. Paul is the one who laid down the cornerstones of our religion and our creed [the pope substitutes Paul for Peter. When did you see a TRC say that? Closet Prot?]. You cannot be a conscious Christian without St. Paul. He translated the teachings of Christ into a doctrinal structure that, even with the additions of a vast number of thinkers, theologians and pastors, has resisted and still exists after two thousand years. Then there are Augustine, Benedict and Thomas and Ignatius. Naturally Francis. Do I need to explain why?”
We were silent for a moment, then I said: we were talking about the saints that you feel closest to your soul and we were left with Augustine. Will you tell me why you feel very close to him?
“Even for my predecessor Augustine is a reference point. That saint went through many vicissitudes in his life and changed his doctrinal position several times...he is not, as many would argue, a continuation of Paul. Indeed, he sees the Church and the faith in very different ways than Paul, perhaps four centuries passed between one and the other. “
“This is the beginning of a Church with an organization that is not just top-down but also horizontal.”
” I have already said that the Church will not deal with politics...The Church will never go beyond its task of expressing and disseminating its values, at least as long as I’m here.”
But that has not always being the case with the Church. “It has almost never been the case. Often the Church as an institution has been dominated by temporalism and many members and senior Catholic leaders still feel this way.
“And I believe in God, not in a Catholic God, there is no Catholic God..”
“Personally I think so-called unrestrained liberalism only makes the strong stronger and the weak weaker and excludes the most excluded. We need great freedom, no discrimination, no demagoguery and a lot of love. We need rules of conduct and also, if necessary, direct intervention from the state to correct the more intolerable inequalities.” - www.repubblica.it/cultura/2013/10/01/news/pope_s_conversation_with_scalfari_english-67643118/
A vote for Snowden would have been a slap in the face to the globalist Obama police security state.
No way can that be acceptable to the ex-Russians that now hold major positions of influence in US govt. and who tell most multi generation Americans how high they need to jump.
They invented the 1965 Immigration Act and the Dream Act and gun control for one purpose, to take away your assets and your freedom.
Tonto, if Palin was REBAPTISED, it shows her ignorance of the Christian faith. Any trinitarian baptism, i.e. Father, Son, Holy Spirit, is valid for Christians. But I am sure that Palin was “born again” by some Holy Roller preacher that told her Catholics were the children of satan and Catholic baptism was not valid because they were not Christians to start with. And the trinitarian baptism is the only valid baptism. Some pentacostals don’t don’t think water baptism is necessary for salvation. Jimmy Swaggart comes to mind.
“he said some things that sounded like anti-captialism, he gets their vote. If I were him, I’d be embarrassed by this”
What did Winston Churchill say to get the award twice, Ronald Reagan twice, Dwight Eisenhower, Henry Kissinger, Richard Nixon, and the rest who definitely were not liberals. Did they fool the liberal establishment into thinking they were really democrats?
To: NKP_Vet
Maybe the women pastors is a bad question to ask her because she goes to some holy roller church that have their own female versions of Jimmy Swaggart.
So now it is Governor Palin that gets thrown under the bus.
Sarah Palin is a non-denominational Christian, she doesn't belong to whatever denomination you are attacking her for.
76 posted on 12/11/2013 12:51:50 PM by ansel12
What did Barry Obama, a democrat, say to get the award twice in the recent past? What did Bill Clinton say to get it twice? What did Jimmy Carter say to get it even once? They all precede Churchill's award!
Yes. I do.
I do not like Pope Frankie. Even less, now that the most liberal rag in America has made him their Chosen One.
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