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Veterans Affairs forced chaplains from program for quoting Scripture....
Fox News ^ | November 11, 2013 | Todd Starnes

Posted on 11/12/2013 12:46:52 PM PST by yoe

Two Baptist chaplains said they were forced out of a Veterans Affairs chaplain training program after they refused orders to stop quoting the Bible and to stop praying in the name of Jesus.

When the men objected to those demands, they were subjected to ridicule and harassment that led to one of the chaplains leaving the program and the other being ejected, according to a federal lawsuit filed Friday.

The Conservative Baptist Association of America is suing Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki; the group’s suit alleges two of its chaplains were openly ridiculed by the leader of the San Diego-based VA-DOD Clinical Pastoral Education Center program.

“Not only was the treatment these men received inappropriate, it was also a violation of federal law and the religious freedom guarantees of the First Amendment,” said John Wells, an attorney representing the Colorado-based denomination.

“No American choosing to serve in the armed forces should be openly ridiculed for his Christian faith,” he said, calling it one of the most blatant cases of religious discrimination he has ever seen.

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KEYWORDS: 666; benghazi; christianpurge; fastandfurious; impeachnow; irs; islam; militarychristians; militarypurge; obama; rome; va; vachristianpurge; veteransaffairs
(Committee on Armed Services)

"The United States Constitution addresses the issue of religion in two places: in the First Amendment, and the Article VI prohibition on religious tests as a condition for holding public office. The First Amendment prohibits the federal government from making a law "respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". This provision was later expanded to state and local governments, through the Incorporation of the Fourteenth Amendment."

"We live in a very litigious society, where almost anyone can sue another for virtually any offense, real or imagined. Department of Defense (DOD) policy makers are not immune from such litigation. In fact, there are growing numbers of persons and advocacy groups in the United States actively seeking to remove from public life—including in the armed services—virtually all symbols and expression of religion and America’s religious heritage by advocating a strict “separation of church and state” that is counter-constitutional." These same groups advocate abortion on demand; inappropriate sex education for our youngsters; push welfafe, food stamps and dependency on all uninformed citizens.

Separation of Church & State was an a concept advocated by Thomas Jefferson the latter phrase lavishly and inappropriately used by ill-informed or pandering politicians as well as others on the far left and right. Remind your elected of the coming election and their duty to their sworn oaths of office.

1 posted on 11/12/2013 12:46:52 PM PST by yoe
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To: yoe

Freedom OF Religion not Freedom from religion.


2 posted on 11/12/2013 12:49:11 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: yoe

“after they refused orders to stop quoting the Bible and to stop praying in the name of Jesus.”

I just got off a USN ship - the chaplain has an evening ‘prayer’ just before taps every night. You will NEVER hear the name of Jesus cross the chaplain’s lips.


3 posted on 11/12/2013 12:50:58 PM PST by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: yoe

Isn’t “quoting Scripture” essential to the job description?

As for one who was BULLIED into leaving, his lawsuit would take a different approach.


4 posted on 11/12/2013 12:51:56 PM PST by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: driftdiver

Very true. The concept as taken today is perverted. Free exercise as Constitutionally conceived included people working IN the government as long as they did not presume to speak FOR the government. To an atheist begging for Christ to get out of his face that seems like a distinction without a difference, but that’s the atheist’s problem, not a problem with reality.


5 posted on 11/12/2013 12:52:32 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: yoe

Wow.

I applied to a VA Chaplaincy program earlier this year. Now I’m glad I got rejected! The one I’m in now is much better.


6 posted on 11/12/2013 12:52:55 PM PST by Luircin
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To: yoe

Obama has 3 years to hollow out the military. Seems to be on track.


7 posted on 11/12/2013 12:53:52 PM PST by AU72
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To: G Larry

Well, even earthly lawsuits can sooner or later fail.

However a suit before the court of God won’t fail.

They will eat the consequences of rejecting the Lord. Not might, will. Now God, being more gracious than any of us could dream, still won’t damn them while on this mortal coil. But He will sternly warn by cutting off the blessings they had enjoyed when they were nearer to Him.


8 posted on 11/12/2013 12:54:39 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: yoe
The Conservative Baptist Association of America is suing Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki; the group’s suit alleges two of its chaplains were openly ridiculed by the leader of the San Diego-based VA-DOD Clinical Pastoral Education Center program. “Not only was the treatment these men received inappropriate, it was also a violation of federal law and the religious freedom guarantees of the First Amendment,” said John Wells, an attorney representing the Colorado-based denomination. “No American choosing to serve in the armed forces should be openly ridiculed for his Christian faith,” he said, calling it one of the most blatant cases of religious discrimination he has ever seen.

Ping for later

9 posted on 11/12/2013 12:55:39 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: G Larry

“Isn’t “quoting Scripture” essential to the job description?”

Only if the “chaplain” position describes a person who reports to God. I guess these guys report to some administrator. It’s in the app.


10 posted on 11/12/2013 12:59:48 PM PST by ToastedHead
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To: yoe

It’s pretty damned obvious that the current administration is actively seeking to eliminate Christianity.


11 posted on 11/12/2013 1:07:36 PM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: tgusa
You will NEVER hear the name of Jesus cross the chaplain’s lips.

Then he is a tool, not a Chaplain, and should resign and seek forgiveness.

12 posted on 11/12/2013 1:17:44 PM PST by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: tgusa

Was that shipboard chaplain a Baptist?


13 posted on 11/12/2013 1:17:54 PM PST by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: tgusa

Still thinking about that. We haven’t had any ship-to-ship combat for quite some time now. I wonder if that chaplain’s prayer would change if he heard someone else’s 5” cross his deck? I’d be willing to bet a brand new bible that his foxhole prayer would mention Jesus.


14 posted on 11/12/2013 1:26:02 PM PST by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: yoe
stop praying in the name of Jesus.

There's no other name, by which one may be saved..

Jesus.

Jesus.

Jesus

Sweetest name I know.

15 posted on 11/12/2013 1:51:57 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: yoe

The purges continue


16 posted on 11/12/2013 2:03:02 PM PST by GeronL
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To: GeronL

Don’t get me started.....


17 posted on 11/12/2013 2:05:57 PM PST by firebasecody (Orthodoxy, proclaiming the Truth since AD 33)
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To: yoe

In related news, the Obama Regime is outlawing the use of “stand your ground” principles for the United States Military. They will henceforth be required to run away when confronted with an attack using deadly force.

For purposes of determining how much retreat is required, it shall be assumed that retreat, to be reasonable, must be completely from any country territory other than the United States, and from within the United States, it must be to a point at least 100 miles from the coast or an international boundary.


18 posted on 11/12/2013 2:13:33 PM PST by LachlanMinnesota
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To: GeronL

Sadly, this is just the beginning.


19 posted on 11/12/2013 2:35:30 PM PST by Cicero1234
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To: Cicero1234

bump


20 posted on 11/12/2013 2:36:21 PM PST by GeronL
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To: yoe
So in this same chaplaincy program, is it ok to quote from the Koran and mention Allah and Mohammad?
21 posted on 11/12/2013 3:04:01 PM PST by Nevadan
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To: yoe
Ordered by Shinseki, who forced us to wear those silly sick French Berets.

We Vets spelled Shinseki a different because we disliked him so much.

22 posted on 11/12/2013 3:31:58 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: yoe

“suing Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki...”

Where are the MPs arresting this freak obamanoid for violating the troops’ religious freedom? I’m guessing that the 101st Airborne has an MP company somewhere.


23 posted on 11/12/2013 3:34:39 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: I want the USA back

>>It’s pretty damned obvious that the current administration is actively seeking to eliminate Christianity.

To quote Mr T, “I pity the fool.” Illegal Christianity defeats any statist, dictator, or regime. Legal Christianity just argues over dogma, budgets, and bible translations.


24 posted on 11/12/2013 5:01:40 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks yoe.

China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Vietnam in line for seats on UN Human Rights Council
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3090446/posts


25 posted on 11/12/2013 6:33:57 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: yoe

This post needs more Scripture! ;)

1 Corinthians 1:18-25

“For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.”


26 posted on 11/12/2013 6:51:39 PM PST by 444Flyer (How long O LORD?)
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To: tgusa

As an Army chaplain, I had the unusual privilege of being aboard a naval vessel at various times between 1987-89. During those times, I was asked to have that evening prayer, and not once did anyone complain about the name of Jesus being used. Times have certainly changed.


27 posted on 11/12/2013 7:25:13 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: I want the USA back

“It’s pretty damned obvious that the current administration is actively seeking to eliminate Christianity.”

It’s an old tool of Satan. And it doesn’t work. History demonstrates that the Church will grow when persecuted. Full of Believers who just don’t care about what anyone thinks, other than the LORD Himself.


28 posted on 11/12/2013 7:35:55 PM PST by 444Flyer (How long O LORD?)
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To: yoe

What’s next??? Are they going to start shooting the quartermasters for using clipboards.....?


29 posted on 11/12/2013 7:54:26 PM PST by GraceG
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30 posted on 11/12/2013 7:55:22 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: cherokee1

There are 3 of various backgrounds including one Roman Catholic. They are following orders.


31 posted on 11/13/2013 5:51:42 AM PST by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: cherokee1

There are 3 of various backgrounds including one Roman Catholic. They are following orders.


32 posted on 11/13/2013 5:51:42 AM PST by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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