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Navy warrior’s quick cremation deepens mystery of Chinook disaster in Afghanistan [Extortion 17]
The Washington Times ^ | November 3, 2013 | Rowan Scarborough

Posted on 11/04/2013 7:32:57 AM PST by huldah1776

"A lingering mystery in the August 2011 helicopter crash that killed 30 U.S. servicemen in Afghanistan is why some bodies were cremated and some were not.

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"Charles Strange of Philadelphia, Michael’s father, said two Navy casualty representatives informed him that his son was “burnt up.” Based on that information, he said, he and Michael’s mother authorized the petty officer’s cremation.

***snip***

“I looked at the picture. And my son did not have to be cremated. He was laying there. His one ankle was messed up. But he was laying there like he had a gun in his hand. He wasn’t burnt at all."

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; dod; extortion17; navyseals; obamaland; sealteam6; somalia; threatmatrix; veterans; waronterror
Sorry I missed this yesterday. More prayers for the families of our beloved military, and for the active duty members who are battling a growing corruption.
1 posted on 11/04/2013 7:32:57 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776

Extortion 17 press conference:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqtJrJ40Cio


2 posted on 11/04/2013 7:39:24 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

Dead Pool file update

http://www.nachumlist.com/deadpool.htm


3 posted on 11/04/2013 7:39:27 AM PST by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: Nachum

Smells like RATs.


4 posted on 11/04/2013 7:43:47 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: huldah1776

All the obama scandals need to be approached from the flank. There was a talk show on FOX with three prominent commentators (two democrat, one republican). They were all in agreement that obama must have damaging information on boehner for him not to be doing his job in all these scandals. They all agreed that boehner needed to go.


5 posted on 11/04/2013 7:44:10 AM PST by Cold Heart
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To: Nachum

Maybe Obunga/Military wanted to destroy the Grenade shrapnel evidence. Rumor has it one of the Afghani’s cooked one off on the flight. Not to hard to believe.


6 posted on 11/04/2013 7:48:26 AM PST by DAC21
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To: DAC21

Sounds likely...the replaced Afghanis on the Chinook were suiciders. That’s what the rangers were freaked out about!


7 posted on 11/04/2013 8:00:10 AM PST by gr8eman (Bandying nice with wannabe commies is over! You're either for freedom or you're not!)
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To: gr8eman

Sounds like somebody in the military expected a non-cremated body to be exhumed later on so it could prove something in question that they did NOT want proven. IOW, it sounds like somebody in the military knew that those guys were murdered, and wanted to cover it up.

I would hope that Klayman and Strange would be able to get the records showing exactly who that “somebody” was.


8 posted on 11/04/2013 8:28:02 AM PST by butterdezillion (Free online faxing at http://faxzero.com/ Fax all your elected officials. Make DC listen.)
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To: huldah1776
Putting 20ish SEALs on ONE COMMERCIAL GRADE CH-47 (NOT MILITARY MH-47)WAS A CRIMINAL ACT OF NEGLIGENCE, just as putting Stevens in Benghazi on 9/11 with NO armed security was a criminal act.

The CH-47's black box allegedly "washing away in a flood" is direct evidence of a cover up. The gubmint didn't want anyone to find out that this chopper was taken down from WITHIN.

9 posted on 11/04/2013 8:54:08 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Even worse is that the government probably KNEW that the Afghans in the chopper were possible terrorists.


10 posted on 11/04/2013 9:17:11 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the.tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

P.S. Ch-47 is the standard model designation for that helicopter. The MH-47 are unique to the US Army’s 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (Airborne).


11 posted on 11/04/2013 9:20:00 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the.tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Yep. No one likes to directly implicate Team Barry for such an ambush, but what ELSE are we supposed to think when so many SEALs are placed on ONE helicopter, and the LIE about the black box being washed away in a flood and the flight manifest changed to PROTECT the Afghans?

This was a hit.. What did SEAL Team 6 know about the OBL raid that we're not supposed to know?

12 posted on 11/04/2013 9:34:23 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: huldah1776

If it were “just” corruption it would be better than what is. What is now is Tyranny.

We are well into our own version of “Night of the Long Knives”. It is just taking longer and is so far more subtle.

Remember, Leftism and chitown thuggery have three tools; Envy, Greed and Fear. Fear is the last and most powerful card. If the SEALS can be gotten rid of what message does this send to others?


13 posted on 11/04/2013 10:22:58 AM PST by Sequoyah101
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To: huldah1776

I have a question. . .

MER (Max. Effective Range) evaluation of the standard RPG in use.
(Note: Firings on a range, in daylight, with known ranges, with <7mph crosswind)
Target: 5 meter by 2.5 meter (15’ X 7.5’) moving at 9mph across line of sight
An experienced operator cannot expect a first round hit more than 50% of the time beyond 180 meters.

Extortion 17 -— CH-47D conditions at time of shootdown:
Local Time:0222 (Dark)
Aircraft lighting: Standard Blackout
Altitude: 100-150 feet
Speed: approx 50 knots
Distance from known firing point (tower on a two story mud house) 220 meters
Enemy force “fired 2 or 3 RPG’s in rapid succession” with one striking the aft rotor.
(Info per: United States Central Command, MacDill AFB Executive Summary of 9Sept2011)

Now, the question. . .WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT??????
Are those guys that good?
By the way, why would those 3 or 4 guys know to be on a tower with “RPG’s” that close to the ingress route?
(Being that the “Taliban force” was currently engaged with an attacking “Task force built around a Ranger Platoon”)
Why were so many “High Value Assets (33 personnel and one dog)” be going to a “Hot” LZ in a single CARGO CH-47D?
(and not two MH47-D’s as is SOP? The “M” really means a lot.)
Etc., etc., etc.?????


14 posted on 11/04/2013 10:40:06 AM PST by HippyLoggerBiker (Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite and furthermore always carry a small snake.)
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To: huldah1776

It wasn’t a hit by our President. I just don’t see that happening.

That being said. I believe that this was a suicide attack. I believe the military is covering that up. Why? Idk. My guess is embarrassment.

Prayers for the families of those who lost loved ones.


15 posted on 11/04/2013 10:47:45 AM PST by justice14 ("Christ is Victorious" / @rjustice21)
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To: Nachum; huldah1776

Thank you for the ping and the post and for keeping us up to date on this.


16 posted on 11/04/2013 11:13:14 AM PST by GILTN1stborn (remember Benghazi & Extortion 17)
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To: huldah1776

just found this:

http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/10/larry-klayman-presents-agenda-reclaim-america-november-19-will-join/

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17 posted on 11/04/2013 11:16:43 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America; justice14

I don’t think they knew anything particularly damaging, other than that this could probably have been done long ago and Obama didn’t do it until it became politically expedient for him.

But I do think that Obama’s AQ buddies had demanded a blood payment for the death of Osama. Probably a lot of money had changed hands, too, hence the name “Extortion 17.” It’s certainly not impossible that an Afghani suicide bomber had gotten himself onto the flight, but it was most certainly an ambush and they had no chance. For one thing, the ROE forbade them from firing.


18 posted on 11/04/2013 11:21:04 AM PST by livius
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America; justice14

I don’t think they knew anything particularly damaging, other than that this could probably have been done long ago and Obama didn’t do it until it became politically expedient for him.

But I do think that Obama’s AQ buddies had demanded a blood payment for the death of Osama. Probably a lot of money had changed hands, too, hence the name “Extortion 17.” It’s certainly not impossible that an Afghani suicide bomber had gotten himself onto the flight, but it was most certainly an ambush and they had no chance. For one thing, the ROE forbade them from firing.


19 posted on 11/04/2013 11:21:04 AM PST by livius
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To: livius

I disagree that Obama did this. Just don’t see that at all. Sorry.


20 posted on 11/04/2013 11:44:13 AM PST by justice14 ("Christ is Victorious" / @rjustice21)
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To: Cold Heart

Interesting, but exactly what should Boehner be doing? I mean we have a long time between now and election day. Why burn out?

Although I disagree with Judge Roberts regarding his decision, he was right in saying that Obamacare was actually a tax. He should then have kicked it back to Congress as such to be deliberated.

On the other hand, I thought too that it would have helped Romney, but Romney did not go after Obama nearly as hard as he did everyone else.

But it appears that there was some wide spread undermining of the voting process.


21 posted on 11/04/2013 11:45:24 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: nikos1121
“Interesting, but exactly what should Boehner be doing?”
I believe at that point they were discussing special prosecutors. And that from democrats!
22 posted on 11/04/2013 12:02:00 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: huldah1776

Bin Laden was conveniently killed right before the election. Except there’s no proof he was killed. There was proof that he wasn’t killed but it all went down with the chopper crash. There are some evil people in DC.


23 posted on 11/04/2013 1:57:17 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Cold Heart

They got so much on Boner that he’s been told if he resigns they’ll release the info. He’s damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. What pisses me off is there are so many people in office who are dirty enough to be blackmailed.


24 posted on 11/04/2013 1:59:18 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
ONE COMMERCIAL GRADE CH-47 (NOT MILITARY MH-47)

LOL, you think a ch-47 is "commercial grade" and an MH is military grade? Really?

25 posted on 11/04/2013 2:03:22 PM PST by Travis T. OJustice (I'm not a gynecologist, but I'll take a look.)
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To: livius; justice14; Eagles6; Imnidiot; 3D-JOY; dagogo redux; OwenKellogg; lyby
Not to mention that obama has had a personal vendetta going with the Navy SEALs since the day they shot one of his pet somali pirates in a gambit that came VERY close to disobeying a direct order from obama himself. They came within a hair's breadth of being technically insubordinate and they saved the life of an American ship captain. obama has not forgiven the humiliation and has taken every opportunity to expose the SEALs to unnecessary danger and set them up for either death or ridicule. NEVER underestimate the evil and vindictive hatred this man carries.


26 posted on 11/04/2013 2:41:50 PM PST by MestaMachine (Towanda! Charge!!! A Fuwappiduh is called for in 5, 4, 3 ,2.....Dang, that was awesome, Dudes......)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop; 2111USMC; 2ndDivisionVet; Absolutely Nobama; acapesket; AirForce-TechSgt; aknkate; ...
SEALs in case you are interested.

This is a Threat Matrix list documenting threats within and without. Anyone wanting on or off please advise.


27 posted on 11/04/2013 2:49:49 PM PST by MestaMachine (Towanda! Charge!!! A Fuwappiduh is called for in 5, 4, 3 ,2.....Dang, that was awesome, Dudes......)
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To: MestaMachine; Rushmore Rocks; Oorang; sweetiepiezer; txnuke; La Lydia; Lady Jag; Nachum; ...

28 posted on 11/04/2013 3:11:51 PM PST by LucyT (~ If you're NOT paranoid, you don't know what's going on. ~)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
You are spot on in your analysis. It was a hit and, if there is a single witness to any part of the operation to “get” bin laden, he or she has the message, “you are next on our list, keep your mouth shut and you might live”.

We, the “innocent sheeple”, are fools to believe that these “leaders”, especially the Damnocrats, are playing nicey-nicey. Sacrificing a measly Seal Team is nothing.

They are 100 times more sinister than you think and will stop at NOTHING to achieve their goal. There are many, so called Republicans, who are in the cadre of one worlders who dream of becoming a communist satellite of China and Russia.

We truly are doomed if we do not begin to fight them in the streets.

If you aren't worried, you ain't paying attention!

29 posted on 11/04/2013 3:14:43 PM PST by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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To: justice14

Dream on...”sorry’?


30 posted on 11/04/2013 3:16:56 PM PST by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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To: Cold Heart
They were all in agreement that obama must have damaging information on boehner for him not to be doing his job in all these scandals.

Pics of boner boning drugged up (kidnapped?), underaged boy butt at Bohemian Grove. Guaranteed.

31 posted on 11/04/2013 3:20:48 PM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: MestaMachine
“ON” Thanks MestaMachine!
32 posted on 11/04/2013 3:22:02 PM PST by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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To: MestaMachine
Not to mention that obama has had a personal vendetta going with the Navy SEALs since the day they shot one of his pet somali pirates in a gambit that came VERY close to disobeying a direct order from obama himself. They came within a hair's breadth of being technically insubordinate and they saved the life of an American ship captain. obama has not forgiven the humiliation and has taken every opportunity to expose the SEALs to unnecessary danger and set them up for either death or ridicule. NEVER underestimate the evil and vindictive hatred this man carries.

Even without that, I believe Obama's loathing of the American armed forces is such that he thinks nothing of the deaths of any of them. They are merely beings vastly inferior to his own glorious self, tools for him to use politically.
33 posted on 11/04/2013 3:43:45 PM PST by Nepeta
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To: MestaMachine

Thanks Mesta! Great information (as always) in this thread.


34 posted on 11/04/2013 4:23:27 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Travis T. OJustice

The alpha prefix would indicate that, yes. Okay okay I wasn’t in Nam or the Gulf War, sheesh!


35 posted on 11/04/2013 5:06:14 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: Sirius Lee

Regarding Boehner, God only knows what goes on in those tanning booths. 8====O


36 posted on 11/04/2013 5:10:06 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: Cold Heart
They were all in agreement that obama must have damaging information on boehner for him not to be doing his job in all these scandals.

Hillary Clinton, FBI files......

37 posted on 11/04/2013 5:15:50 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Make sure you have removed the kleenex from your pockets before doing laundry)
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To: justice14

So what does look like an inside-job okay’d by Obama look like to you?


38 posted on 11/04/2013 11:50:37 PM PST by wastedyears (Ender's Game in theaters Nov. 1st)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

They mostly knew or learned later that OBL had been dead for more than a decade according to another assassination of the former Pakistani P.M. and GWB stopped looking for. He got Saddam Hussein alive!

Also most likely they were NOT told who they were to kill but hauled off with a wrong guy with no DNA, Photos and “buried” at sea with no witnesses. The Pakistanis at the “compound” said firmly it was not OBL living there!!

Instead of “shooting” him they could as easily have captured him alive, even a more valued trophy for Soetoro than a faked dead body NOBODY have seen!!!


39 posted on 11/05/2013 3:39:05 AM PST by danamco (-)
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To: BatGuano

BTTT!


40 posted on 11/05/2013 4:50:09 AM PST by bayouranger (Those who are anti-islam are a National Security Threat.- J.Brennan CIA Dir. Feb10)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

No, it would no more indicate that than it would indicate COOL versus MANLY. See, I can make up stupid garbage, too. Why do you just make stuff like that up?


41 posted on 11/05/2013 6:58:13 AM PST by Travis T. OJustice (I'm not a gynecologist, but I'll take a look.)
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To: wastedyears

Not like this.


42 posted on 11/05/2013 9:21:18 AM PST by justice14 ("Christ is Victorious" / @rjustice21)
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To: BatGuano

I just disagree. Simple.


43 posted on 11/05/2013 9:22:05 AM PST by justice14 ("Christ is Victorious" / @rjustice21)
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To: danamco
Would be a trip if the entire compound was fenced off with dummy model made at Pentagon all as a staged event so the King could spike the football. Damn, they even had to get rid of Chris Kyle, too. Suns-O-Biches

The "doctor who helped us in Pakistan" ended up in prison just like the guy who made "the anti-Islam video". Hmmmmmm. SILENCE!!

44 posted on 11/05/2013 11:05:23 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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