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Obama wants a default.
me | 10/15/2013 | Zeneta

Posted on 10/15/2013 12:42:35 PM PDT by Zeneta

Step back for a moment and consider the political implications of a US govt default vs. 0bama's standing among the media and in turn, the low-info voters.

Consider that everything 0bama has ever done is always political. The advancement of his party and ideology of a state that "requires" people being told what is in their best interest.

There is absolutely NO RISK for 0bama (politically) to preside over a US default.

Do you think he is going to fold ?

Why should he ?

Do you think he actually cares about America ?

Do you think he cares about his "Legacy" ?

The media has his back.

This is the biggest opportunity to seize control, an opportunity that may never come around again.

The opportunity to send the entire global economy into turmoil. Send millions of people into the arms of the Government.

It is all about politics.


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To: EnquiringMind

Yes, dems own the media and resulting narrative, but the media requires sound bites. The pubs should give them one parroted sound bite per day.


61 posted on 10/15/2013 1:52:06 PM PDT by wrencher
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To: Cyber Liberty
I think he was lying.

He is lying. That whole system is computer based with no human input whatsoever.

62 posted on 10/15/2013 1:54:12 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
I wonder about that. We just watched WWII veterans get strong armed by Big Brother while illegal aliens were allowed to RAID our National Mall, unabated. THESE ARE PROVOCATIONS BY KING BARRY. There are numerous examples of this in just the last month. IF KING BARRY DOESN'T WANT CHAOS, Why is he provoking citizens?

The EBT card "glitches" was a TEST to see how fast King Barry can set off the inner-city fire keg. WALMART GOT HIJACKED IN A MATTER OF MINUTES.

63 posted on 10/15/2013 1:55:34 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: wrencher

The Republicans should be attacking the media for their bias, 24/7. Relentless and nonstop, calling them out for BEING EMPLOYEES OF THE WHITE HOUSE. In their face. Unabashed. 24/7.


64 posted on 10/15/2013 1:57:56 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (If Americans were as concerned for their country as Egyptians are, Obama would be ousted!)
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To: Zeneta

If he does want a default he is an idiot because the reality is that Democrats are in control of the Presidency and the Senate. Its hard to make the case that its the GOP’s fault when a bipartisan group of GOP and Democrats have agreed on and passed several bills to avoid the shutdown and the “default”. Also once in default mode the President then has the ability to decide what will or will not be funded. That places him on point. If he lets veterans and social security go unpaid but funds his pet Obamacare and other nonessential crap he will be in the spot light. The GOP of course could drop the ball and maintain a fetal position but the world will not end and the buck will stop with Barack Obama. Even in states like New Jersey the President and Democrats are getting well over 40% of the blame for the shutdown. If the GOP were better and didn’t have anti-cheerleaders like Peter King and John Tokyo Rose McCain doing the Democrat bidding the outlook would be even better.


65 posted on 10/15/2013 2:00:40 PM PDT by Maelstorm (The political class love diversity and choice only when the its choices they approve of.)
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To: Venturer
If he declares Martial Law he may be announcing the start of a Civil war.

We're already in a state of civil war. Most Americans simply refuse to recognize that fact.

The rest, absolutely refuse to consider that the tree of liberty is dry and withered and have no plans to refresh it - because that would take risk and work none are willing to expose themselves to. There is NO EXCEPTION in all human history - that when a government and ruling class of people DEMONIZE a specific group of people, that government ALWAYS criminalizes and then eliminates that group.

And by "eliminate" I mean KILL - as in genocide, cleansing, etc. All done under the color of law.

Obama WILL default - and then decree the government stop paying it's bills so as to maximize pain on the people and get them to turn en masse against the Conservative Tea Party movement and applaud any 'emergency powers' he claims in order to 'restore things to normal'. You just watch. The GOP Ruling class has already greased his skids towards criminalizing the TEA Party.

They just need an excuse. Default may give Obama what he wants - justification to do what he has really intended.

66 posted on 10/15/2013 2:01:21 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Zeneta
More Proof they want, intend and will default:

Pelosi: GOP Debt Ceiling Bill Is A Decision To Default

They have already blamed the GOP and specifically the TEA Party and Ted Cruz and Mike Lee by name for it. That narrative will ratchet up ad nauseum.

67 posted on 10/15/2013 2:09:03 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America; INVAR; Maelstorm; 11th_VA; Dacula; Buckeye McFrog; Farnsworth; ...

I would like to add to my belief.

Please consider the following.

How would a US default benefit 0bama and his party ?

I’m not talking about a Civil War, I’m talking about the process that will allow him to gain greater control.

The first reaction to a default would be an almost instant and substantial devaluation of the US Dollar.

This “reset” of the US Dollars standing as the “worlds” reserve currency will be lost.

In turn, US manufactures will experience a huge increase in demand from oversees. This will allow 0bama a victory in achieving a doubling of output.

These manufactures will need to hire to meet demand and will also be more willing to pay the extraordinary tax to repatriate funds. BTW, they will be hiring more Union “Workers”.

The dollar destruction is just a small part of the process to move US to a Fascist State.

Corporations will fall in line since their profits will likely skyrocket.

There is a feedback loop that will encourage crony capitalism and the creation of a “Workers paradise”.

There is so much more.

This is not yet Communism, it is Fascism with the government controlling private enterprise.

For the greater good.

The first step to political control is the achievement of economic control.

This economic control “MUST” and can only happen with willing participants in the private sector.


68 posted on 10/15/2013 2:23:12 PM PDT by Zeneta
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To: Zeneta
How would a US default benefit 0bama and his party ?

First consider two things:

1. - Obama hates the country and intends to destroy it (fundamentally transformed).

2. - Obama has already enacted and imposed Fascism which has gone unchallenged. From the GM bailout to the takeover of student loans and the ongoing takeover of healthcare.

Now let's ask your question - how would a default benefit Obama and the Ruling Class?

First and foremost he gets to nullify the Constitution and essentially neuter and suspend Congress - specifically The House of Representatives.

He get's to ascribe to himself, the power of the purse by so doing.

He can then arbitrarily decide what money gets spent and on what. he can then, with that precedent, raise taxes on his own authority - as he does by using his Alphabets to impose regulations and taxes outside of Congress.

We are moving fast into a time where unless you think and act like a MarxoFascist - you are not going to be able to buy or sell. A hallmark of despotic and genocidal men and their utopias.

69 posted on 10/15/2013 2:34:39 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR

bttt


70 posted on 10/15/2013 2:45:53 PM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: MrB
Remember, Bill Ayers said it would probably be necessary to kill off 25 million people as non-cooperative in order to make socialism work in America.

Chances are that Bill Ayers will be the one swinging from a lamp post, long before that 25 million number is reached.

He is/was right that it comes down to numbers. I look at it this way ... there are 80 million firearms owners in this country. If 1% of 1% of those decide to not go quietly, there will quickly be 8,000 Wacos/Ruby Ridges. Which will exceed the ability of Federal law enforcement to respond to (and because local law enforcement, which will understand better whats happening, will establish the perimeters but otherwise stay out of it).

There will need to be a crushing response to those 8,000. Not too good for them, but it'll probably spur another 1% or 1% to make a stand. That's now 16,000 incidents, with the exception that the second 8,000 will anticipate another crushing response and will adapt accordingly. So instead of hunkering down, they'll go hunting.

Then consider this ... what happens when people involved in neighborhood feuds over petty little things like dogs taking cr@ps on the wrong lawns start to realize that ratting out "gun owning" neighbors will result in a ... crushing response? My guess is that a LOT of Conservative gun owners will quickly forget the whole "bear false witness" thing and start fingering their neighbors. The ones who just happen to have fading Obama/Biden bumper stickers on their cars.


71 posted on 10/15/2013 2:46:10 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Zeneta

As I’ve noted on other threads, I think it is likely that he does want default.

- He doesn’t care about his legacy - he only wants to bring our country to 3rd world status and bring in Marxism.

- With the media fully behind him, and all the Dems, he knows he can force us to default making sure the evil Republicans get 100% of the blame.

- He can use the default to declare martial law, having already paved the way building local police depts. into war units and removing most conservative upper officers from the military.

- He knows there are not enough true conservatives in gov. like Cruz and Lee to bring about any serious kind of protest, and that a majority of our nation will welcome his dictatorship.

I think the odds of the above being true are at least 50%.

We’ll see soon.

We’ll see.


72 posted on 10/15/2013 2:49:04 PM PDT by Arlis (.)
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To: frogjerk

I think we are way past impeachment as the best solution.


73 posted on 10/15/2013 2:49:04 PM PDT by patriotsblood
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To: Zeneta

That is an interesting idea but I doubt that is the way it would shake out.


74 posted on 10/15/2013 2:50:15 PM PDT by Maelstorm (The political class love diversity and choice only when the its choices they approve of.)
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To: INVAR

He only needs to neuter the current republican congress, temporarily, until he can get a majority in both houses.

At that point the constitution won’t matter to him.

He will have virtually unlimited spending power.

All in order to buy more votes.


75 posted on 10/15/2013 3:01:25 PM PDT by Zeneta
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To: Maelstorm

That is an interesting idea but I doubt that is the way it would shake out.


OK.

So, when things begin to play out as I have outlined and Hotair and Limbaugh catch up, are you going to send me an e-mail stating that I was RIGHT. ?


76 posted on 10/15/2013 3:06:03 PM PDT by Zeneta
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To: Arlis

There will be a point when the (sane) several states decide the proof is irrefutable and unite. Soon.


77 posted on 10/15/2013 3:09:00 PM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: Zeneta

Sure I’ll admit it. :-) The flaw I see in your idea is you assume everything will go according to Obama’s conspiratorial plan. They wouldn’t be screaming so loud if they wanted a default something that would mire the President more than anyone else in DC.


78 posted on 10/15/2013 3:11:02 PM PDT by Maelstorm (The political class love diversity and choice only when the its choices they approve of.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
The Republicans should be attacking the media for their bias, 24/7. Relentless and nonstop, calling them out for BEING EMPLOYEES OF THE WHITE HOUSE. In their face. Unabashed. 24/7.

Too late for all that. We are on the last hour.

79 posted on 10/15/2013 3:13:15 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Maelstorm

Please understand.

If republicans fold, government spending will increase and we will see a “slow” continuation of 0bama’s building of a nanny state.

If republicans hold firm, 0bama will capture the accelerated implementation of the nanny state.

0bama has nothing to lose.


80 posted on 10/15/2013 3:14:32 PM PDT by Zeneta
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